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    [YOUTUBE="_Twokr090WM"]HORSE the Band - Bunnies[/YOUTUBE]
    "All humour has a foundation of truth."
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    Quote Originally Posted by PinkPiranha View Post
    Something like that occurs with me too (I really like your "machine:run" mode description - you'll have to elaborate on it, as it's totally alien to me) but even when I'm, say catching a ball, I'm still not aware of my surroundings. I'm catching a ball with someone else's hand, analyzing and processing it as if it were not happening to me.
    Ok I will. later. bug me if i forget. i'll compare it to the above.

    Strangely enough, my dreams can feel more real to me than anything IRL (or should I say, waking life). That's why it's such a torture when my head's a mess and I can't escape.
    try lucid dreaming. takes practice, but once you do it you'll like it.

    Well, as a mechanic, I was perhaps more aware of what was going on than at most any time in my life, but again, never at 100%. Even in the middle of high-speed drag races. There's consciousness, there's "me", but then there's huge amounts of smudge and blank area and the dream state. I've done crazy things in the dream state.
    hella cool.

    dream state?

    makes me think of sleep note typing going downhill.
    Don't know how much it'll bend til it breaks.

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    @costrin

    lol. i do that too actually....
    Don't know how much it'll bend til it breaks.

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    Hmm....

    Its kinda like I'm playing a video game. I'm controlling my body, but I'm not actually my body, I'm not actually there. I don't see, feel, hear things myself, its the character in the game that is. When I feel pain, its as if my health meter is going down. I want to stop it naturally, or I'll lose the game, but the player doesn't experience it first hand.

    Furthermore, not all my attention is on the game, the player exists in his own world, and that draws attention away from the game, but there is no pause button, so sometimes it gets the character in trouble. But playing the game is itself boring, but discovering and understanding the programming of the game is interesting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bamboo View Post
    Ok I will. later. bug me if i forget. i'll compare it to the above.
    I'll await with interest.

    try lucid dreaming. takes practice, but once you do it you'll like it.
    Is that where I imagine I'm Tallulah's back-up singer and wailing on my axe like Pete Townshend?


    dream state?
    The Aborigines call their creation story/Genesis "dream time of the world", when everything was magic and chaos and coalescing matter. Gods and spirits roamed the land. I feel as if I'm permanently locked into the dream time. Physical experience is always filtered through the fairy dust, even when I don't want it to be. I think not being able to pin myself down to one point in space/time is what causes this transience.

    I remember an ISTP I was seeing. He told me to dream about him so he could finally get at me. I was more real and present (and accessible?) in my unconscious self. He was welcome to invade.

    My ESTJ mother told me recently that I live and have always lived "up here" - *said tapping the side of her head* - in a land of removal. She's never surprised when I say I've spoken to my dead Grandfather or felt the presence of things long gone or soon to occur. She's grounding for me.

    I feel as if I'm straddling the line between the past and the future. The present doesn't seem to exist except in flashes as it passes by. It's like an old film projector, flickering scenes, reeling through.


    makes me think of sleep note typing going downhill.
    LOL! You'll have to explain that one!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bamboo View Post
    I don't get it. Where is this non-here and now?

    For example, I can imagine something that isn't here and now. Like, lets say, a pineapple. I'm thinking about this pineapple and I can 'feel' the texture and see the color and even 'taste' it although I'm really just projecting it in my head and there aren't any pineapples around me. If I'm not imagining something, then all that's left is the texture of the keyboard and the chair I'm sitting on and these words being typed on the screen.

    I guess what I'm asking is what do you see (feel, hear, etc.) when you "look out?" The future?!? Where else could you be besides here and now? Or do most people not spend time "looking out"?

    Confused.
    Depends on who you ask...

    Ne person (NP, especially ENTP) will start thinking about all sort of crazy things he/she can do with that said pineapple. For example imagine schemes to make money off of a pineapple throwing contest.

    Ni person (NJ) will focus more on a specific aspect or attribute of a mental representation of a pineapple and see how that specific aspect links to other things. For example pineapples is for eating, you get canned slices of pineapples and those typically have a whole down the center because they're de-cored, then it reminds you of donuts, chocolate glazed donuts and now suddenly you want hot chocolate.

    Si person (SJ) tends to recall his/her past experiences of pineapples. How much a nuisance it is to cut it open and get at the meat. Why didn't he/she buy canned pineapples instead or eat something else. But then at the same time thinking about the last time he/she had a tree riped pineapple and how those taste so much better than the canned stuff and resolve to hack at the darn thing anyways.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bamboo View Post
    Ok so I mentioned the pineapple above (I like using weird examples). I can imagine the pineapple in my head. To me "out there' is a different space than the space where I would see (or feel etc) the pineapple. When you "look out", do you see it in the same space as you see the pineapple? That doesn't seem to make sense in my mind.
    I'm Ni dominant, if you ask me to imagine a pineapple floating in space I can visualize it no problem. But I wouldn't normally do that unless I'm trying to draw a picture of a pineapple or something from memory.

    The thinking and thought process of Ni rarely utilize physical shape, smell, texture etc of the imagined object. Instead I focus on symbolized attributes... For example if you imagine a pineapple you can probably see the spikes on the outside waxy surface. I don't "see" spikes. The thought that pineapples have spikes goes through my head... the next thing I think about is spikes in general. Not necessarily related to pineapples but just anything related to spikes. Could be sharp metal nails, or those homemade hand grenades with nails inside of them.

    I suspect you focus more on the physical things like images where as I go by related concepts based on the word.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jeffster View Post
    Thanks to beyond for bumping this topic. Reading this stuff is really fascinating. Even if I can't understand what it's like, it's still cool to read about. I'm with Quin though, I might get a bit dizzy if I thought about it too much.

    Hopefully, more people will chime in, this might just be the greatest topic ever.
    Funny, I thought your blog is the greatest thread around... You want this thread to replace your blog? *chuckles*

    But yeah, I'm not sure how I managed to missed this thread the first time around. Lack of Se probably...
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    Floating Ni space pineapples ftw!

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    linear conceptuality of time is an illusion

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    Quote Originally Posted by sunnyz22 View Post
    linear conceptuality of time is an illusion
    Precisely.

    I think Ns may be responsible for the non-local behaviors of quantum physics too.

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    as they say, life is a journey... forget the destination so you can pay attention to what youre doing now, youll often find you end up in the right place anyways


    the idea that people can control their future to a great degree is a little foolish. principle of approach is what matters because we simply dont know what will happen. unfortunately, most people do not seem interested in refining their principles.

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