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    Senior Member Nighthawk's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by htb View Post
    Here is how you can narrow down the search by four types: sensors reflexively touch computer screens as part of an explanation, and this drives judging intuitives crazy.
    Not to mention getting their fingerprints all over my screen. Drives me nuts.

    I'm the same with people touching my computer, or lending things. I don't like doing it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uberfuhrer View Post
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    I agree but I fail to see how you linked it to what I said. Still you got good points.

    On the subject of literature my mother used to work in a library. She had to review some Cyberpunk/ Dark Future books for some committee or other. She gave up on the first page after much anguish. She couldn't understand nor get past the word 'plasticrete'. Definitely an S thing. Possibly just SJ but definitely S.
    Isn't it time for a colourful metaphor?

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    Very interesting replies from all of you on screen-touching -- I had just thrown out the temperament qualifications. Apparently, those who don't like it really don't like it.

    Edit: I will note that my coworkers consist of an ESFP, an ISFP, an ISTJ and an ESFJ. Screens are touched.

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    My wife, an ISFJ, has informed me that she never daydreams. She is very grounded in the here and now. I, however, still daydream a lot ... even at my advanced age.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nighthawk View Post
    My wife, an ISFJ, has informed me that she never daydreams. She is very grounded in the here and now.
    My ISTJ just told me he never day dreams. He observes the world around him, noticing things like how nice the sapplings look, or how the annuals need watering. He said it's what keeps him grounded.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xander View Post
    I agree but I fail to see how you linked it to what I said. Still you got good points.

    On the subject of literature my mother used to work in a library. She had to review some Cyberpunk/ Dark Future books for some committee or other. She gave up on the first page after much anguish. She couldn't understand nor get past the word 'plasticrete'. Definitely an S thing. Possibly just SJ but definitely S.
    What you seem to be saying is that she obsesses about minor, unimportant details. Yeah, in of itself, that's an S thing, but what you're saying seems to be more stress-related, in which case leads INxJs to use their inferior Se function in an unproductive way -- such as obsessing about a word.

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    My ISFJ friend has told me she's frequently unaware of what's happening around her because she's daydreaming. I've never asked her what she daydreams about.

    The S/N difference is the most confusing to me. The more I get to know a person, the blurrier it becomes. Sometimes it's obvious if a person's a S or N (there's a gaggle of SFJs in my office and it comes off them in waves) but when I speak to them individually I wonder if it's one or two dominant SFJs creating the climate for this group. Individually they tend to be more moderate and open-minded, but when they get together...just smile and agree.

    As far as interacting with the natural world, sometimes I go for walks and I notice the sunlight and water and I wonder why I don't do that more often. Dirt is the stuff that catches me most by surprise. I like dirt, but only clean dirt not dirty dirt. (Think potting soil or something like that ).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uberfuhrer View Post
    What you seem to be saying is that she obsesses about minor, unimportant details. Yeah, in of itself, that's an S thing, but what you're saying seems to be more stress-related, in which case leads INxJs to use their inferior Se function in an unproductive way -- such as obsessing about a word.
    Well essentially yes but I was more pointing to the inability to divide the word plasticrete into two words plastic and concrete and then get her to accept that it's just a combination of the two. For some reason this did not sink in.

    I wonder if Ss tend to enjoy science fiction which either is based in the past or has explained technology where as Ns would enjoy the concepts developed in these stories which are new to them?
    Isn't it time for a colourful metaphor?

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    I spoke with my husband (ISTP) about this pretty recently as I came to a conclusion like this. I spend plenty of time daydreaming so much so that it makes me appear 'forgetful'. I was shocked to discover that he does way more daydreaming then I assumed. I was surprised that most of his daydreams have a 'vigilante' tone too. The example he gave was that we have a drug house down the road from us that lures some very young people. In the year we have been here we have seen kids (15-17) that were pretty normal turn into meth addicts. The police although at that house often have been unable to shut it down. We don't have 'deep' discussions that much so when he opened up I was intrigued. I didn't stop him when he started telling me in detail what he daydreamed about doing to stop it himself. After he finished though I tried not to give it away he could tell he caught me off guard! I told him what I would do instead of that and it turned into a great talk. I am not sure if the daydreaming factor is the best way to draw a conclusion on S/N but I will test it more.
    "At points of clarity, I realize that my life on earth is meaningless, and that I am merely a pawn in a bigger game. A game I cannot possibly understand or have control of. Thankfully, before depression sets in, I drift back into my cloudy, bewildered daily routine." **Joel Patrick Warneke**

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    I used to daydream a lot, now I daydream only before falling asleep. These are typical female daydreams (e.g. romantic ones).
    Otherwise I'd rather plunge into observing my environment instead of daydreaming.

    Edit: to Xander - I don't like science-fiction at all except those based in the past.

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