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    I have a thought:


    Se is the one who has a flamboyant intensity. They may or may not use their intensity for making an impact, and they don't always have the same ability to notice vivid details as Si. But as Extraverts, they enjoy breadth of experience, making them good athletes because their inferior Ni function gives them good instincts; knowing which move to make. This trait also guides them to be effective in performing and could give them a vanity streak. Corresponds with Fire.

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    Si is the one who will appear spaced in, focusing on something in the environment. It is also past, present, and future-oriented. It zeros in on all the details in the environment. You could find Si staring at something that they miss out on the other things that are happening around them. So they, too, have the same problem of Ni of not noticing things beyond their current concentration.

    When they are not concentrating on anything in particular, they absorb information that's around them, but unlike Ns, they are not looking for definite opportunities, but merely taking things in. Hence, this type is quite absorbent, able to take in anything from the environment. They are not a store house of just information that interests them or stimulates their mind like Ni, they are a store house of all information. This is why Si's tend to do well in school; they memorize everything in detail that is taught, which does them well when taking tests.

    Their past orientation leads them to readily remember all kinds of detailed information based on the matter at hand. Their present orientation allows them an uncanny ability to notice details in the here-and-now. And with an inferior Ne function, they notice what needs to be fixed -- hence, this quality gives them good spatial abilities. And their future orientation allows them to be prepared. Corresponds with Earth.

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    Ne is the idea person. They may notice details in the environment like Si (and they do have an inferior Si function), but usually not to directly improve (fix) what is in the here-and-now, but details in the environments serves as inspiration, making this type adept at noticing long-range opportunities. They often may appear scattered and superficial, but are usually witty and funny. To the Ne, no idea is too ridiculous to entertain.

    This type could also be good at telling stories. For this reason, s(he) could also look to the past using his/her inferior Si function to remember details they've witnessed and put their own spin on things. This could make them into successful salesmen or pathological liars. Corresponds with Air.

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    Ni is the one who will appear spaced out and not focusing on anything in particular. They are either past, present, or future-oriented. They will look to the past not for any concrete matter at hand, but more to muse upon it maybe relive an experience or explore other musings.

    I think past-orientation has more to do with Intuition, because Intuition isn't concrete or abstract per se. Ni will look at their past, present, or future from a more mystical point of view.

    A past-oriented Ni will remember something funny, and you might find him/her laughing for no apparent reason. A present-oriented Ni will probably be adept at imagining other people's motivations and seeing things from their perspective. A future/fantasy-oriented Ni will probably end up playing their own creative games.

    Ni has an underdeveloped Se function, which could make them prone to mindless physical activity and obsessive compulsions. The same inferior Se function also makes them appear to have ritualistic body movements, such as hand-flapping. Underdeveloped Se also gives them poor motor skills. Corresponds with Water.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nighthawk View Post
    My ISFJ wife reads only technical books and journals regarding her profession. She does not read fiction of any type ... either concrete or abstract. She prefers non-fiction television shows like Forensic Files, Court TV, and legal shows.
    Your wife sounds a lot like my ISFJ mom, she's crazy about CSI, Law & Order, the various crime investigation shows on A&E, etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Usehername View Post
    I think we've stumbled on the jackpot, guys. Just ask someone if they daydream, and if so, how often. There yah go. That's the divider!

    (Although a very balanced S/N might not give a definitive answer, I suppose.)
    I suspect there is something to this, but it's just important to keep in mind it is a matter of degree. It might also help to come up with a variety of words related to imagination, since 'daydreaming' can specific connotations that even some iNtuitives may reject.

    Some considerations: if most of the population are Sensors and the fantasy world of Hollywood is such a booming business, then it stands to reason that all types enjoy a little make-believe of sorts. Also, children do a great deal of make-believe. There may be more tendency for an N to engage in fantasy in their minds while the S acts it out? Not sure on that one.

    To give another example, i know a woman who is an extremely strong ESFJ. When she catches up in her diary she will ask everyone what we ate for each meal, what we did each day. It gives the impression that she uses the concept of a diary to record events rather than personal thoughts. She is always doing and has little concept of daydreaming. However, even she in her years gone by used to make up wondrous imaginary tales to tell her younger siblings. In that case, imagination served a practical function to help the children calm down and sleep. I find very often with Sensors that they have these wonderful, hidden places of whimsy that they suppress for the more practical aspects of life. My aunt is the same way. I'm guessing she is an ISTJ, maybe ISXJ. She has no tolerance for nonsense, and is extremely practical and hard-working. When i went to visit her she was intrigued by the way I relate to the world and insisted I read Anne of Green Gables. She is another person completely without whimsy, and yet, she had majored in Literature many years ago. I find that Sensors tend to relate to fantasy as an intrigued observer rather than participant in much the same way an iNtuitive observes, but doesn't engage, the concrete world.

    So just as your brother can certainly enjoy the clouds, the breeze, and the sunshine with his senses, so can a Sensor use their minds to invent and abstract. Otherwise Sensing would be a subcategory of what an iNtuitive can process, and that would imply a failed system of personality imo. It's more about strengths and preferences.
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    My ISFJ girlfriend daydreams...about me of course. My ISFJ mother daydreams too, although I don't really question her about what's about - none of my business! My ISTP brother too and so my ISTP friend; but personally I only day-dream when:

    - I'm sad
    - I'm studying (and bored) (I only daydream about sex)

    Anyway IMHO introversion=daydreaming.

    About music, I have some observations on the S vs N of people I have danced with:

    Ns tend to have a much better, precise rythm. Especially Ni N's, especially INFPs. They sometimes do not have enough bodily control if they don't have exercised when young; however if they have the bodily control they easily become very impressive dancers.

    Ss are generally somewhat better at handling their body, especially ESxx', but they get struck in repetitive patterns sometimes, and ESxjs are very bad with rythm - it's very hard for them to understand how to move rythmically, even if they have good coordination.

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    Is this for real? This is completely mind-blowing. I would have thought that daydreaming was the main thing that separates a human from a machine. How can a creature be sentient without daydreaming? I don't get it. What goes on in their head all day? They just make grocery lists in their head and nothing else for their whole life? I can't fathom this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dorkilicious View Post
    Is this for real? This is completely mind-blowing. I would have thought that daydreaming was the main thing that separates a human from a machine. How can a creature be sentient without daydreaming? I don't get it. What goes on in their head all day? They just make grocery lists in their head and nothing else for their whole life? I can't fathom this.
    Yes, we do all daydream, just like we can all sense what's right in front of us. The question is what we're all aware of. I would suspect a Sensor might forget s(he) was daydreaming because that's not something the Sensor prioritizes very highly. The Intuitive, on the other hand, will likely put more value into their daydreams and acknowledge them more often.

    It's not that the Sensor is pragmatic and the Intuitive is creative, but it's more about what the individual seeks. The Sensor seeks pragmatism, the Intuitive seeks creativity. Both types can become innovators in their own way, but it's the Intuitive that consciously tries to be creative and original.

    Also know that when it comes to type, originality is subjective. An Intuitive that comes up with what he perceives as a unique idea may not be unique to the world, but it's the desire to be unconventional that separates the Intuitive from the Sensor. Likewise, the Sensor can do things a different way that do change the world, but the Sensor doesn't start with the bleeding desire to make a new approach unless it's directly useful.

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    According to TypeLogic

    ISFJ
    Si
    Fe
    Ti
    Ne

    ESFJ
    Fe
    Si
    Ne
    Ti

    SJs use Si, SPs use Se.

    How do SPs get the name "Artisans" if they don't daydream?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uberfuhrer View Post
    Yes, we do all daydream, just like we can all sense what's right in front of us. The question is what we're all aware of. I would suspect a Sensor might forget s(he) was daydreaming because that's not something the Sensor prioritizes very highly. The Intuitive, on the other hand, will likely put more value into their daydreams and acknowledge them more often.

    It's not that the Sensor is pragmatic and the Intuitive is creative, but it's more about what the individual seeks. The Sensor seeks pragmatism, the Intuitive seeks creativity. Both types can become innovators in their own way, but it's the Intuitive that consciously tries to be creative and original.

    Also know that when it comes to type, originality is subjective. An Intuitive that comes up with what he perceives as a unique idea may not be unique to the world, but it's the desire to be unconventional that separates the Intuitive from the Sensor. Likewise, the Sensor can do things a different way that do change the world, but the Sensor doesn't start with the bleeding desire to make a new approach unless it's directly useful.
    I kind of doubt this to be true, really. Just think about all those sensing artists.

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    I'm a balanced S/N.
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    My ESFJ friend daydreams, we often do it together lol you can see us zoned out just relaxing with each other, minds wandering.

    Hers are a touch more realistic as mine are totally unreal most of the time, hers can still be far out there though.

    Maybe asking if they daydream involves an actual discussion to determine what type of daydreams, as daydreaming is too broad a term.

    I found it interesting that alot of sfj's like concrete fiction, I try real hard to get her to read complete fantasy yet she prefers ones with some kind of historical slant to it in order to make it more believable, wheras I can believe the fantasy no matter how far out and really enjoy the book regardless.
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