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    Quote Originally Posted by Ilah View Post
    He did have a small section on auxilary. He thinks if your dominant is a percieving function, your dominant has to be a judging and visa versa.

    If Ni is dominant my secondary can be Ti, Te, Fi or Fe but not Ne, Si or Se. This would work out to 32 types, not the standard 16.

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    If you define a type by only the first two functions, there would be 32. If you look at all the order of all the functions, or even just the first 4 it would be much more.

    For example if you had two people who were NiTi, but one was NiTiFeSe and the other was NiTiFiSi would they be the same type or not?

    This is assuming you allow the functions after the first two to be any any order or give more than one order option. It is possible to say based on NiTi this is the order of functions 3-8, the same as is currently done for the regular 16 types. For example, for NiTi, I would follow the INTJ pattern but switch the i and e for all the judging functions.

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    I relate best to Ni, but also relate to the general description of Ti, the type description of Ti I can relate less to - not Ti dominant.

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    INTJ with Jung's Introverted iNtuition fitting me best, though I can say some parts of the Introverted Thinking resonated with me. I'm definitely a Ni/Te combo, though.
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    I'm honestly surprised that all the INTJs picked Introverted Intuitive so far. It's such an odd description. Well, that's what polls are for, isn't it!

    Hmm, it seems Night put INTP and Introverted Thinking, and I believe he's INTJ, so that shall be stricken from the record.

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    I identified pretty stongly with this part:

    9. The Introverted Intuitive Type
    The peculiar nature of introverted intuition, when given the priority, also produces a peculiar type of man, viz. the mystical dreamer and seer on the one hand, or the fantastical crank and artist on the other.

    Intensification of intuition naturally often results in an extraordinary aloofness of the individual from tangible reality; he may even become a complete enigma to his own immediate circle. [p. 509]

    If an artist, he reveals extraordinary, remote things in his art, which in iridescent profusion embrace both the significant and the banal, the lovely and the grotesque, the whimsical and the sublime.


    And also this part:

    10. Recapitulation of Introverted Irrational Types

    Since their main activity is directed within, nothing is outwardly visible but reserve, secretiveness, lack of sympathy, or uncertainty, and an apparently groundless perplexity. When anything does come to the surface, it usually consists in indirect manifestations of inferior and relatively unconscious functions. Manifestations of such a nature naturally excite a certain environmental prejudice against these types. Accordingly they are mostly underestimated, or at least misunderstood.


    I also identify with the part about archetypes and all the mystical references. I am very strongly drawn toward mystical things.

    I have mixed feelings when I people talk about how intuitive doesn't mean, psychic, mystical, etc. You can be an intuitve type and not have any of this, but on the other hand if you are a mystical type or have a sixth sense it is almost certain that you have a high N.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Flak View Post
    I'm honestly surprised that all the INTJs picked Introverted Intuitive so far. It's such an odd description. Well, that's what polls are for, isn't it!
    I didn't like Jung's description of Ni. He didn't seem to put nearly as much thought or effort into the description as with Ti. Probably because he's an introverted thinking type.

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    "For INJs, patterns aren't 'out there' in the world, waiting to be discovered. They're part of us--the way we make sense of the riot of energy and information impinging on our systems. A disease syndrome is a useful construct, but that's all it is--an aggregate of observations attached to a label, telling us what to see and how to deal with it."

    ^ I think this is a good explanation. edit: It's especially good because you can substitute concrete data with what it says about abstract data "impinging on our systems" and you've got an equally concise description of introverted sensing types.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ilah View Post

    I also identify with the part about archetypes and all the mystical references. I am very strongly drawn toward mystical things.

    I have mixed feelings when I people talk about how intuitive doesn't mean, psychic, mystical, etc. You can be an intuitve type and not have any of this, but on the other hand if you are a mystical type or have a sixth sense it is almost certain that you have a high N.
    I identify with Ni because I'm also drawn toward the mystical and inarticulable, but I'm very skeptical towards most "mystical types" as I think they're generally either insane or trying to make a buck.
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    How do you define "mystical types"? I generally think of a mystical type as some one who is drawn to the mystical. This could be a fortune teller, but it could also be a New Ager or someone who paints pictures of fairies. There are many different ways it mystical type could appear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by booyalab View Post
    I didn't like Jung's description of Ni. He didn't seem to put nearly as much thought or effort into the description as with Ti. Probably because he's an introverted thinking type.
    I would actually say that Jung was quite the Ni user himself. He's a mystic more than a scientist in many ways.

    The thing with the Ni description is that its very form already indicates what it is: the unknown, the "Other". Attempting to describe it thoroughly in a Ti or Te manner would be a contradiction to the fact that it essentially cannot be described. Or can it? --> Ni is never a final answer, I think.

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    As Ni, I would have to say Ni is if not indescribable, at least very difficult to describe. Any descriptions do not do it justice. Translating from Ni to English (or whatever language you speak) is like translating something into a second language. There is Ni stuff that there just isn't words for, so I have to approximate.

    I think Jung is pretty Ni. Look at some of his ideas besides personality theory: archetypes, dream analysis, personal alchemy [this is about personal transformation, not turning lead into gold, but don in very mystical terms]. You can't get more Ni than that.

    Also I feel like he gaves us some words, for some of the Ni which previously had no words to describe it.

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