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    Default TP's: What is it like for you to use Fe in service to Ti?

    TP's: What is it like for you to use Fe in service to Ti?

    I think the function pairs in hierarchy have this relationship, that is, that the lower of the two acts "in service" to the higher, meaning is directed by the purposes and motivations of it. This is part of what it means to have a preference. So what is it like for you? How do you experience it, what are some examples, what are some of these purposes and motivations of Ti that Fe helps with, how do you think it is different from Ti in service to Fe, etc.
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    Usually I use Fe to soften the blows of my Ti. I can use Fe to generally emphasize with someones point, while still retaining my own thought process inside my head. I usually use Fe to try to make someone feel comfortable enough to really go deep with me in conversation, it doesn't always work since my Fe I suspect is pretty low on the totem pole, but that mainly is what I use Fe for. Also I might use Fe to make a group I am working with run more smoothly, I might use it to compliment a friend, and I might use it if I am really upset and my feelings just explode from inside of me. I have been trying to develop my Fe recently, it still is not that strong but hopefully with continued use I can buff it up.

    Ti in service to Fe would probably be helpful in trying to analyze someones feelings. Fe in service to Ti is probably more helpful in getting someone feeling comfortable enough to analyzing other things.
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    I actually systemize Fe like I do with any other system -- typical for Ti+Ne I guess, but I expect Fe doms have a different perception of it since it's their "native" system and what I'm doing is translating it into my own "native system" and making use of it in that context.

    Bsically I consciously see it as a way of behaving like a huge flow chart in my head (sometimes a complicated one) of cause and effect, and once I get used to a particular cultural system, I instinctively start picking up on nuance, knowing what things will trigger what kinds of reactions, and also how the system can be used to communicate particular ideas, commitments, loyalties, or the lack of them. A person can make a comment or take an action, and if I'm familiar with the context and the cultural lexicon, I immediately know how to interpret the reaction. I can also choose to say or do things that I know will convey something to others around me.

    Frosty also makes a similar/supporting point, you can use Fe to "soften" a Ti comment. I think this is where Ti folks get in trouble, just spitting out a particular idea without any awareness or concern for how it will get read in a more personal way by others; so the Fe understanding is used to support Ti communication and translate it into a form of idea dissemination that will not carry undesired information.

    (i.e., if you just blurt out a criticism, it can be heard as "You suck really bad" versus "I'm just giving you information that is trying to help you, because I care." That former bit might not be what you intended, but you're still communicating instead of the latter, so understanding how people might perceive something allows you to be more intentional in your communication.)
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    Perhaps knowing when to inject a little humor (appropriate to the target audience) when laying down criticism is an example. I do that frequently.
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    Right, I sort of use Fe sometimes to get a sense of whether someone will appreciate a statement I would like to make. I also use Fe a bit to pick up on kind of the essance of the group and determine what mode of behavior is appropriate. If I am in a group of people who my Fe picks up as sad, I will mirror my behavior to reflect sadness. If everyone is excited and happy, I can use Fe to pick up and deal with that as well. I take what I know aboutthe particular people I am talking about and I am generally able to get a sense of how to act around them, but if I am around a group of strangers Fe can end up being extremely useful, it is more of a here and now function.

    I do what Spirilis says frequently as well, I use Fe to let me know when telling a joke is appropriate or inappropriate. It sort of helps me read the room.
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    Well, my Fe isn't apparant unless you really know me. Or I really care for someone. Then it is me putting myself in their shoes a lot. I usually find myself taking on a lot of my loved ones hardships. I don't necessarily think this is healthy - I'm just sort of realizing I do this - but it's because I know I'm strong enough to handle it.


    On a global level it is perfunctory. Like, when to interject on a subject that may not be met positively but needs to be stated to keep a project from getting derailed. It's sort of a filter for 'politeness'.

    I don't find that it interacts with Ti all that much. I guess maybe in the sense that it works like, 'someone brought up Joe's ex - that didn't go well - avoid mentioning her". Keep things in a framework of reactions and build upon them. I don't know. stuff like that.

    But everyone does that, right? Not sure if I'm describing this well at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MDP2525 View Post
    Well, my Fe isn't apparant unless you really know me. Or I really care for someone. Then it is me putting myself in their shoes a lot. I usually find myself taking on a lot of my loved ones hardships. I don't necessarily think this is healthy - I'm just sort of realizing I do this - but it's because I know I'm strong enough to handle it.


    On a global level it is perfunctory. Like, when to interject on a subject that may not be met positively but needs to be stated to keep a project from getting derailed. It's sort of a filter for 'politeness'.

    I don't find that it interacts with Ti all that much. I guess maybe in the sense that it works like, 'someone brought up Joe's ex - that didn't go well - avoid mentioning her". Keep things in a framework of reactions and build upon them. I don't know. stuff like that.

    But everyone does that, right? Not sure if I'm describing this well at all.
    No that makes sense and sounds like what other people are saying. We all do this but not so consciously I think, and Feeling types might add in a bunch of things which distract us from the logic of the situation. You just see why something works or doesn't, which is rational. We might add a value judgment to it, or wonder whether they like us less, or how that person is going to behave in the future, or something like that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by greenfairy View Post
    TP's: What is it like for you to use Fe in service to Ti?
    Well, if I view functions as metaphors, with TI representing the logical, analytical side of me that strives for coherence, and Fe representing the emotional side of me that demands connection, engagement and security, I think I would describe it as such:

    I strive to analyze the Fe, and look at what sets it off. I try to find patterns. What kind of thing upsets me and makes me lose control? What kind of thing makes me happy? What do I like about people? What do I hate? After a certain point, I can do some comparing, and compare my library of past reactions to the reactions and behavior of other individuals. I suppose I do not have an answer for situations that are not in my library, so I try and factor that in, too. For instance, if someone is an Iraq war vet, I do not really know entirely what they've been through, so I don't pretend to have answers when I do not.

    The thing that a lot of INTPs don't realize is that you can predict this stuff. Emotions aren't totally mysterious things that have no explanation, and neither are human beings. Human beings merely appear mysterious and unknowable to other human beings (or INTPs) because nobody has complete information regarding another human being. Total knowledge of other humans is impossible, so one must make informed guesses while at the same time being prepared to accept information that contradicts these guesses. INTPs that have a strictly empirical approach to the world often find this difficult, because one perceives only the surface actions of others, and neglects the connecting threads that can help form a more coherent picture of an individual's personality. That is, if one believes that one should not engage in speculation, and rely only upon observable evidence, the INTP is suppressing their intuitive faculties and crippling themselves. Speculation can be incorrect or off-base, but it must be done, anyway. It is possible to do this while allowing room for error.

    The benefits to this is that it enables the INTP to more smoothly navigate the interpersonal relationships that are an inescapable part of living. Ultimately, we can't go off and live as a desert hermit (I tried that; it was simply not viable or even possible). So, we have no choice but to try and understand other humans. In doing so, we can acquire compassion points.

    I'm making this process sound a lot more mechanical than how I actually experience. The reality, as I experience it, is much more organic than mechanical. It appears mechanical because of the way I explain it.

    I'm not sure how INFJs experience Fe fueled by Ti. Keep in mind that some people think I'm an INFP or INFJ ( not that I am concerned about such things any longer).
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    @msg_v2, I experience a lot of that too, but I think I am much more emotionally involved in it if that makes sense. So you could be INFJ. Although I doubt it. What you say seems consistent enough with the other TP's in the thread. Not that you should care.

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    I largely find to Fe to get "in the way" of something that actually truly makes me happy. I've yet to really figure out a manner in which I can use Fe "in service of" Ti, rather than having something be the choice between the two.

    Essentially, nearly ever poor decision in my life I can boil down to letting my emotions getting the best of me and overriding my sense on what I think I should do in a given situation. The general sentiment is, that if I just follow my head, everything will be okay.

    Fe can continue to take a back seat.

    The real problem is, I still treat Fe and "Fe-like" behaviors with complete disdain and absolute disrespect. I simply cannot accept anything that feels influenced by that attitude and I will reject it, or at least, try to grin and bear it while it eats away at my very soul.



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