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    Quote Originally Posted by Beorn View Post
    On a serious note, logical reasoning is only as good as the presuppositions upon which it is based.

    Therefore, being logical ≠ being right.
    I find it amusing that all formal systems (logic, maths, geometry) have zero guarantee of being applicable to the real world. We have just gotten use out of them because they just magically happen to apply in certain situations. Magically, inexplicably. There are a lot of theories as to why this is true, but they are yet to have been proven. Formal systems we use are all founded on axioms, i.e. assumptions, i.e. ultimately unprovable.
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    FJs are convinced by Ti, FPs are convinced by Te. Simple as that.

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    There are T's who can't be convinced with logic. Preference for T =/= ability. If you think it does, you may be desperate for others to see you in a particular light and/or just plain kidding yourself. Furthermore, there are many F's in this forum who are better at reason and logic than T's.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RandomINTP View Post
    The title says it all.
    I've noticed Fs don't care about logic (the best thing there is) and I have this question to all Fs.

    Is it possible to convince Fs with Logic?
    Well I think so.

    If you disagree, convince me.
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    "Suppose it didn't," said Pooh, after careful thought.
    Piglet was comforted by this.
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    Isn't it a fallacy of logic to make a hasty generalization as you have in the OP? Can you be convinced that you have demonstrated this fallacy using the definitions of logic?

    It's nearly the only thing that changes my mind, although plenty of subjective information will affect my behavior. I value reason so highly I've overturned my entire inner framework of reality a couple of times in life in favor of it. It also is the reason I am slow to conclude anything. I score rather high on logic/analytical tests, so for whatever else I lack in life, that skill is not one of them, even though I'm a "Feeler". I process subjective information differently - there is a way to deal with informed speculation that is different from logic, but still useful. The discrediting of individual thought and reason based on category is a long and tiresome activity.
    Step into my metaphysical room of mirrors.
    Fear of reality creates myopic morality
    So I guess it means there is trouble until the robins come
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    Bad premise.

    Bad INTP!!
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    sounds a bit more like Te vs Fe, but yes, I agree with the general premise. glad someone brought this up
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    It's irrelevant if they get their own rules or not. Rules are made to be broken.
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    You should never try to convince people with logic. Instead, use rhetoric, emphasize enthusiasm over clear thinking and rationality. Even the logicians of the world want to escape the cold, hard truths. Give them a way out of the nihilism and you'll be a cult hero.

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    logic? no. sense? yes.
    healthiness is all about appreciating other peoples inferior function. its like the sore spot no one ever notices, but we desperately wish they did, and if you focus on doing that, youll have many friends. and also learn to appreciate your own inferior function, others wont find it stupid if you show them how cool it is.

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    mistakes happen. expect them, and grow from them. look for them, and avoid them.

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