Wow. You guys have personality down to a science... Literally. I was kinda thinking in less sciencey terms (I literally can't understand it. I wish I were more thinker-y...) sigh. If you're up for going into the logic I'm willing to learn. Aaaaaaand that explains why I suck at debating (I cry and talk about feelings).
The complexities are difficult to explain I myself am a visceral type person with a slow at time cognitive processing function and this is good in some ways and limiting in some ways.
It requires time to grasp complexities and the complexities we are exploring and teasing apart are interconnected and some times the bundle looks like one and at closer inspection looks like more that just one but many parts connecting together like a three dimensional puzzle.
I tend to leave the describing of things to those who are naturally good at that and my self I simple work before my pair in the hope that I can excel erase my learning, and within that simple venerability it seems to work because the essence of most who visit this and other sights is good.
This topic we are looking at seems to have more complexity that generally spoken about before the novice. I am a layman even though I have held an interest for over twenty years.
It seems that like notes within music the note of the lets call it MBTI it fame work operates differently in different keys or different octaves.
I am a dumb when it comes to music and understanding the fractions and everything to do with music but never the sell my higher mind is not as debilitated by sloth as my conches is.
So I read and think with as little thought as posable and say to my self "I will put that on the back burner" and trust that my Su conches and un conches will feed me information when when I have uncovered enough of the jigsaw puzzle to recognise the picture. The mind protects its self but will recognise and build and grow but via a honest process.
Read think and gently move on to the next and if your mind returns think proactively and allow the subject content to move in and out at its will and the duality of your own Su conches and un conches will serve you and assist you in growth. It's a funny thing that personality witch is often the reactive limiting component of who we are forgets that the self is the Soul and the nature of the Soul is service. The conches may for get but the sub conches and un conches has not forgotten and quietly and patently serves the pilot boing its thing out there in space the space of the mind Egoic mind.
Learn the basics lots of basics lots of frame works they are real but pic quality information and good schools of thought, some time to save time take the cream from the bottle and leave the milk for those who seek there symbiotic needs met within the security of the simple one system. Because there are may differing shapes to recognise and they fit together like a complex score of living music minds operation.
With this puzzle those two are casting defending plays about seems to me quite simple, Ti has three places and the third place is at Point:9 at the instinctive level the visceral level of think_relate.
Point 9 is the apex of the seesaw between points 1. & 8 and 2 & 7 but for this instinctual thing it is easiest to grasp it if you think about two of the six instinctual variants Sp/So and So/Sp.
The Sp component is at point:1 and the So component is at point:8 and the In between is point:9 "Think".
If you investigate Sp/So and So/Sp you will see that that are complimentary to each other in the cognitive thought possessing both like structure and to structure all types do but they do it with a natural born to problem solve and order like natural drive to frame and order and it all evolves around think/thinking its a like proactive Id kinda thing not separated from points 4&5 and 3&6 see: (3-4 - 9 -5-6) but that is one action.
So point: has its relationship with in a group of five points that have at its centre Point:9 of the relating triad or Instinctive triad I like relating triad because I am old school and the first edition of the book Personality Types was in some ways a much better book to first learn the enneagram because it transmitted more of the Id understanding of the master enneagram teacher Don Richard Riso. The new revised bigger and better second or third edition, I an un shore how many revised addition there are diaries the relating triad as the instinctual triad and in a way that is true Think in the topic above is Instinct related, but all types think sense feel and that is much of what the Law of three is about sense point three think point nine and feel point six.
The three parts in equal nuisance is what basically makes the magic happen.
So think feel at point six is the thinking triad , head or head hart gut, and it is helpful to understand that the head separated from the gut centre has much to do with fear to feel what you think with out the grounding can generate fear so they, before before political correctness where trout of as the fear types types 5 6 7 but that is not completely true but due to the way some parts connect and can be disconnect from other parts its is also true and apt as it is untrue holistically when more pieces of the connect are connected.
So you can see there is several layers of complexity. Several model and two people are yap yap because two people are not perhaps seeing the complexity and the multiplicity of complexity the same way.
One is taking an impersonal view and the other a personal view and that are looking at the same thing from different frequencies particular parts of a larger mechanism.
It's fun to learn because Cygnus's insight are new to me and I can après hate the knowledge he is extending.
If you are interested in the law of three and sense think feel and the MBTI and the enneagram Google Mark Anthony Rockliff and, "a table of celebrated correlation" will be there and you can see one full layer of the MBTI correlated with the enneagram, I did it back in 1997 or so and its been there for some years.
There is much to learn and see from taking in those correlations but as we can see there is more layers than one set layer as my correlations are.
My correlations are when an individual at its point centre being with out the manipulations of the other points and six instinctual variants. But closely you will see Te and the T and the Ti for both ESTJ 1w2 and ENTJ 7w8 and you can ask your self is there a connection between think and Te and feel and Ti and sense and T and if so you can ask question and witness the three functions and even generate the variants to ether side of the primary point energy. If you a tune at the right level it is fascinating to see the automatic responses and reaction but there is an art to it because there is a emotional frequency to be triggered and each of the six variant has its own pitch subjective emotion. And the subject matter must be applicable to type conches mood and agenda.
And that is why I like Cygnus's contribution of this topic It partly honours the same level but in an impersonal independent pitch as if it addresses the Egoic minds cognition. I wonder if it remains the same for all six verbena of the ESTJ and ENTJ that is the question I ask myself so I am curious as to knowing the structure for all 16 so as I can begin to observe and witness to see for my self and view the two missing MBTI types and see what is taking place other than what I already can see within the 1w9 ESNTJ and 5w6 INTFP.
Cheers