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    The Green Jolly Robin H.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Entropic View Post
    I extremely disagree with this. You can most definitely read people's cognition based on their choice of words, because it belies what kind of worldview they ultimately operate with.



    Which is why you don't get hung up on the actual words that are being used, but seeing the pattern from which they were spawned.



    If people do not genuinely filter their thinking process in the words that they choose in expressing how they see the world, then it will be reflective of their cognitive processes and thus also reveal what bias their mind carries.



    Or perhaps it's because you do not actually see the connections behind what goes in people's chosen words? I mean, frankly, I'm pretty sure that I could come up with one of those neat algorithms that they use in order to analyze people's writing styles and eventually pin something down that somehow reflects people's cognition accurately. Just that one needs to logically outline and capture that process in some way and do that for all the types and the functions in that type. Process I can't say I am as inclined to pursue though as of this moment, seeing the time and effort it would take do it, though I've considered it as the only way to fully quantitatively test whether cognition is real or not.


    Heh. If you go read some of Nicodemus' posts elsewhere as well, you will see how his worldview is so reflected by Ni, though.
    That's just it. NO one really knows the connections that go behind a person's words. To assume that is as superstitious as thinking you can read minds. You cannot simply hear someone speak and then bridge their thoughts between their words - if you could do this you would be the first person in human history.

    There is no proof of this occurring empirically. I would love to see proof of that.

    And that's the thing about filtering...no one knows who filters what. Someone may tell you they filter and not filtered, and they may filter their filtering...the variables are endless, possibilities astronomical, human decision making is not binary, in fact it mirrors quantum, according to sociopolitical studies on voting, which are anything but binary.

    And just so you know I typed him NI too...before you, using the paradigm I adopted from personality theory literature.....so....I don't know why you continue to argue a phantom argument....
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    my idea of ne is pretty straightforward:

    NE is bridging external frameworks together using TI.

    NI is developing an internal conceptual framework based on empirical studies using TE.

    It's not my idea either...I am borrowing it from personality theory literature.
    @Nicodemus...

    As for your type...I initially typed you as NI more than NE...but I said I would not rule out the possiblity of the reverse being true...

    So I think that my theory on ne and ni is spot on if you are indeed ni.
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    Quote Originally Posted by highlander View Post
    I actually don't agree with that. Written and verbal language is the best indicator available to ascertain what functions someone is using. ISFJs don't talk like INTJs for example. Never have. Never will. Certain functions, like Ne tend to jump off the page for me when I'm reading someone's writing.

    What does this have to do with relationship pairing anyway
    Sorry I just read your last sentence....you're right this has nothing to do with relationship pairing. I don't know how we got here...only that I was replying to @Entropic and @Nicodemus....
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    Quote Originally Posted by GarrotTheThief View Post
    That's just it. NO one really knows the connections that go behind a person's words. To assume that is as superstitious as thinking you can read minds. You cannot simply hear someone speak and then bridge their thoughts between their words - if you could do this you would be the first person in human history.

    There is no proof of this occurring empirically. I would love to see proof of that.

    And that's the thing about filtering...no one knows who filters what. Someone may tell you they filter and not filtered, and they may filter their filtering...the variables are endless, possibilities astronomical, human decision making is not binary, in fact it mirrors quantum, according to sociopolitical studies on voting, which are anything but binary.

    And just so you know I typed him NI too...before you, using the paradigm I adopted from personality theory literature.....so....I don't know why you continue to argue a phantom argument....
    Welcome to the world of qualitative science. I do in a way, feel though, that I actually read people's minds. It may sound superstitious and preposterous, but there it is. You cannot hear it but you can see the connections they make. There are subtle nuances in how people orient themselves to the world of data, how people for example orient themselves in how they use the word feeling and emotion and how they express values as whether for example, values affect people or seeing people as carriers of values. This is but one example. That's what Jung observed too. And yes, you did, but then you also went on to waffle and was like, what if ENTP? So why? The perspective offered was clearly that of Ni and not Ne.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GarrotTheThief View Post
    if that were true then I would be an intj . I am entirely introverted, yet by typing I am told by a professional that I am entj and sometimes on forums that I am infj and entp. So I am not denying the possibility at all...it's just that thus far I have been typed as randomly as someone guessing zodiac signs and my writing style is always the same.
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    Quote Originally Posted by highlander View Post
    What does this have to do with relationship pairing anyway
    Nothing. Perhaps you can use your special powers to snip the conversation off at the right point and turn it into a whole new thread with a nice fitting title.

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    Quote Originally Posted by highlander View Post
    The tests are unreliable.
    no what I mean is, by speech....I would be an intj...I am quiet with a deep baritone voice and I speak very, very little, if ever....if you spent a day with me you would think I was the most introverted person on the planet...yet I am extroverted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicodemus View Post
    Nothing. Perhaps you can use your special powers to snip the conversation off at the right point and turn it into a whole new thread with a nice fitting title.
    is that possible? That would be ideal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GarrotTheThief View Post
    is that possible? That would be ideal.
    I could do it if I had his powers. Let's see what he can do.
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    Intuitive preference is a condition of the mind, perception is accomplished a priori.

    So far as intuition can be thought of arcing patterns, the ground is far removed from power.

    In this manner, the intuitive type is left lunging forward at this ground indefinitely, there is no particular "end" which satisfies the intuitive type.

    It is by this token Jung thought Ne types irrationally bound by fate: highly conditioned beings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sunyata View Post
    Intuitive preference is a condition of the mind, perception is accomplished a priori.

    So far as intuition can be thought of arcing patterns, the ground is far removed from power.

    In this manner, the intuitive type is left lunging forward at this ground indefinitely, there is no particular "end" which satisfies the intuitive type.

    It is by this token Jung thought Ne types irrationally bound by fate: highly conditioned beings.
    Interesting, I always thought that Tantalus's Torment was an apt comparison to Ne; reaching for ever receding waters............ I am curious though did you mean to infer that Ne was the trollop function? Unsatisfied ends and all.
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