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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainChick View Post


    That makes no sense whatsoever!!!

    Self-awareness, i.e. knowing one's self hasn't a thing to do with the external world's perceptions of, and preoccupations with people.

    If you already have self-awareness, maybe not! But I think being a more unusual person can make it more difficult to figure out who exactly you are. If you're not like other people you know, you have to do more work in figuring out your own identity.

    Personally, it took me a while to figure out I'm an ENTP and I've heard similar accounts from other female ENTPs. The ENTP archetype in our society is more associated with masculine traits so being a female ENTP is a bit of a cultural disconnect. Had I been an ESFJ or some other more "typical" female type I don't think it would have been nearly so difficult to figure out who I was.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mollyowens View Post
    If you already have self-awareness, maybe not! But I think being a more unusual person can make it more difficult to figure out who exactly you are. If you're not like other people you know, you have to do more work in figuring out your own identity.

    Personally, it took me a while to figure out I'm an ENTP and I've heard similar accounts from other female ENTPs. The ENTP archetype in our society is more associated with masculine traits so being a female ENTP is a bit of a cultural disconnect. Had I been an ESFJ or some other more "typical" female type I don't think it would have been nearly so difficult to figure out who I was.
    Ludicrous.

    I have been an "unusual" person my entire life, which actually led to my relying and depending on an internal compass and monologue to dictate who I am/was and why.

    I was soooooooooooooo unlike my other family members and peers, it was kind of ridiculous, but I have always had a strong sense of self, always.
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    I'm not understanding why the question would even arise that INTJs are somehow more self-aware than other types.

    And about ESTPs and ISFPs being least searched: maybe they find themselves through other means? Maybe they don't need a personality theory to help them? Maybe communing with nature or fully experiencing life is their way of becoming self-aware. Just because someone isn't interested in type theory or MBTI doesn't mean they're not interested in discovering themselves. And being interested doesn't lead to self-enlightenment either, it's just as easily used to fuel one's own myopic vision of oneself and others.

    To me it sounds like you're basing self-awareness on how often a type is searched though Google. The gravity that some people give to MBTI amazes me sometimes.

    I understand (or am assuming) that people mean self-awareness in these following contexts:

    Self-awareness includes a recognition of our personality, our strengths and weaknesses, our likes and dislikes. Developing self-awareness can help us to recognise when we are stressed or under pressure. It is also often a prerequisite for effective communication and interpersonal relations, as well as for developing empathy for others.
    The ability to know and understand one's self.
    conscious knowledge of ones own character, feelings, motives and desires
    I'm also reading that key components to self-awareness means knowing your personality, values, needs, habits, and emotions and understanding how they fit in with those of others.

    How about this: why would other types not be self-aware? What's holding other types back?

    I haven't read the thread completely so excuse me if these points have already come up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by proteanmix View Post
    To me it sounds like you're basing self-awareness on how often a type is searched though Google. The gravity that some people give to MBTI amazes me sometimes.
    That's a very good point.

    There are many reasons why INTJ may be the most searched type on Google:

    1) INTJ is a really common result for online MBTI tests, so they're going to be among the most searched on Google

    2) INTJs and other similar types would be among the most interested/curious about MBTI after they take online MBTI tests, so it's among the most searched -- compare this to ISFP types

    3) A lot of people of other types find INTJs absolutely confounding, so they search for information on them

    4) INTJs are often voracious readers/writers, so they may read/produce a lot of information on their type on the web

    And there are probably many many more reasons...
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    Quote Originally Posted by proteanmix View Post

    How about this: why would other types not be self-aware? What's holding other types back?
    I can say that I personally am not naturally very self aware, and I don't believe other ExTP's are either. My perception is focused outwardly so strongly that as a result I am not in touch with who I am in a lot of ways. For example if something upsets me or makes me sad it takes me days to figure out why. Often the way I understand myself is to develop general principles about how people behave and then deductively apply these principles to myself. For example I didn't become interested in MBTI in order to understand myself. Instead my aim has been to understand all people in general, and from that I have come to learn more things about myself.

    In contrast INTJ's have introverted perception. Introverted perception is keenly aware of whatever it focuses on and that almost always includes the self. That is why IxxJ's are naturally very self aware. Although I would say being a feeler helps too, so I'd put IxFJ's as the most self aware and IxTJ's a close second.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ajblaise View Post
    J's can be closed minded in that they seek to close things off and have matters settled, and can be unsettled by a gray world. I believe open-mindedness and the mental tendency to open doors instead of close them is key to achieving self-awareness. Self-awareness also requires a grip on reality, which isn't in black and white but shades of gray.
    i don't see why you think Js are unsettled by "shades of gray". introverted perception is all about depth of vision. in fact, Ni is all about shades of gray, even more so than Ne.

    the only argument to be made for IJs being less self aware than IPs is that perception is an unconscious function and judgment is conscious.

    we also have to define self-awareness. i'd say it has to do with understanding your motivations. INFPs would probably be best at that, followed by INFJs (being in touch with values is the NF's forte).

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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Liquid_Laser View Post
    In contrast INTJ's have introverted perception. Introverted perception is keenly aware of whatever it focuses on and that almost always includes the self. That is why IxxJ's are naturally very self aware. Although I would say being a feeler helps too, so I'd put IxFJ's as the most self aware and IxTJ's a close second.
    LOL, hells to the NO!!!!

    Having a strongly developed Fi would lead to an increase in self-awareness, IMO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainChick View Post
    LOL, hells to the NO!!!!

    Having a strongly developed Fi would lead to an increase in self-awareness, IMO.
    i agree. Fi is slightly better because it's tuned to the self instead of the world. Fe people are just as in tune with values, but are less directly focused on the self.

    also, dominant feelers are most consciously aware or values. IFP or EFJ.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainChick View Post
    LOL, hells to the NO!!!!

    Having a strongly developed Fi would lead to an increase in self-awareness, IMO.
    Feeling certainly helps, but I don't think it's the most important factor. I've known some INFP's that I would not describe as terribly self aware. Fi makes one aware of their own values, but not much else.
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    Are we basing self-awareness on how quickly someone becomes self-aware? Is a 16 year old INFP more self-aware than a 60 year old ESTJ? Are we talking about a type's natural proclivities towards self-awareness? Are we asking about certain functions aiding self-awareness more than others? Are there functions that have nothing to do with self-awareness? How does one become self-aware in the first place?

    The most basic definition of self-awareness is conscious knowledge of ones own character, feelings, motives and desires. I am very hesitant to say that one type over another is naturally more self-aware because I think too many environmental factors can skew this. If I were forced to say which types are more naturally prone to desire self-awareness I'd say ISFPs or INFPs. If they achieve it is up in the air.
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