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    Quote Originally Posted by big sexy View Post
    I see people say stuff like this to justify Keirsey's temperaments, is there any actual reason to believe it?
    Dunno, maybe its just observation that keirsey and most likely other MBTI experts and amateurs have made. But so is the whole Jungs idea of dividing people and their most important mental functions affecting personality.
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    I'm not the biggest fan of Socionics, but I'm a fan of how the system defines temperaments as IJ, IP, EJ, and EP. Puts a focus on subject/object and rational/irrational, which actually makes sense.

    I think that a discussion would flow more naturally from that partitioning and. Since we're squeezing blood out of a human heart rather than out of a turnip, there's more talking and less speculating; and that could lead to less stereotyping.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jscrothers View Post
    I'm not the biggest fan of Socionics, but I'm a fan of how the system defines temperaments as IJ, IP, EJ, and EP. Puts a focus on subject/object and rational/irrational, which actually makes sense.

    I think that a discussion would flow more naturally from that partitioning and. Since we're squeezing blood out of a human heart rather than out of a turnip, there's more talking and less speculating; and that could lead to less stereotyping.
    This. If just for the fact that I relate to other EJ types far more than I do with NF types. In experience, I'll sooner find more commonality and connection with an ESTJ than I will with an INFJ, and the latter is supposed to be more close in relation. Though I do relate to INFJs. I have very little relation to ENFPs.
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    The four sections (I believe you're teaming them temorraments) are the easiest to describe and classify. The rest of someone's type fleshes out those crude stick men.

    For example, NT, tends to ask "What for?". NJ has no real definition by itself other than the technical one. To say that an INTJ is similar in temperament to and ENFJ is to miss the point.

    You must see the difference between SP and SJ? Sometimes it's like night and day. One sets up rules that the other blatantly ignores. The same with NT and Nf where one tends to think the other has something missing from them and tries to help at best or denigrate as a degenerate at worst.

    I'm not supporting or decrying Keirsey but I wholly support any effort to break the stereotyping and assumption which runs rampant on this forum.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nemo View Post
    The other thing to remember about Keirsey is that he is pretty distant from MBTI. At one point he even thought about dropping the E/I, N/S, T/F, J/P stuff.
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    IIRC he didn't use the MBTI codes in Please Understand Me I. This system was adopted in Please Understand Me II.
    And they were finally dropped in the last book, Personology.
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