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    Quote Originally Posted by Mole View Post
    You use the language of Shakespeare everyday without understanding what you do.

    And in a form of reverse snobbery you express your ressentiment towards those who love and understand the greatest writer in the English language.

    This sounds more like The Lord of the Flies than a Grammar School.

    There is no resentment in my tone. I am only saying what is true. Shakespeare(assuming he was a real person) encrypting meaning within his work so only a select few could understand it is perfectly fine and rational from an economic standpoint, and a very clever business move, but it disqualifies the work from true magnanimity.

    There is nothing wrong with being esoteric, selective, and elitist but if we are going to put something on the level of true greatness it best be for all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GarrotTheThief View Post
    There is no resentment in my tone. I am only saying what is true. Shakespeare(assuming he was a real person) encrypting meaning within his work so only a select few could understand it is perfectly fine and rational from an economic standpoint, and a very clever business move, but it disqualifies the work from true magnanimity.

    There is nothing wrong with being esoteric, selective, and elitist but if we are going to put something on the level of true greatness it best be for all.
    Good heavens, Shakespeare was a popular, successful and wealthy playwright and poet. His plays and poems have been translated into every language in the world, and his plays are performed in every country today.

    It seems you are culturally impoverished and seem to think everyone else is too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mole View Post
    Most Americans have the idea because they are enthralled by American popular culture they understand American culture, when American culture is invisible to them.
    So we don't understand our own culture, either? Goodness, we Americans seem to have an endless list of failings. I wish I were Australian, so I could be eternally faultless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by baccheion View Post
    After looking at answers given on OkCupid, the following is how likely each type is to be concerned with grammar, spelling, etc:

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    INTJ 76.85%
    ISTJ 76.43%
    ESTJ 76.32%
    ENTJ 76.12%
    INTP 74.46%
    ENTP 73.20%
    INFJ 71.67%
    ENFJ 70.34%
    ISFJ 70.22%
    ISTP 69.77%
    ESTP 69.34%
    ENFP 67.55%
    INFP 67.54%
    ESFP 67.10%
    ESFJ 66.92%
    ISFP 65.49%
    ESTJ 88.60%
    ISTJ 87.78%
    ESTP 86.71%
    INTJ 86.44%
    ENTJ 85.21%
    ESFJ 84.79%
    ISFJ 84.76%
    ENFJ 84.13%
    INFJ 83.99%
    INTP 82.61%
    ENTP 82.12%
    ENFP 81.13%
    INFP 81.12%
    ESFP 79.44%
    ISTP 78.82%
    ISFP 77.04%
    All the ISTJ's I know are very PC. I'm surprised they're so high on the list. I wouldn't expect any of them to openly correct others unless asked to.

    Preference by certain type seem to juxtapose on the poll, such as: ESFJ (Female high/male low), ESTP (Female high, male low), ENTP (Female low, male high). From my experience, it seems to fit together fairly accurate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mole View Post
    Shakespeare went to a Grammar school and studied the grammar of at least four languages, resulting in the greatest body of literature in the world.

    And today, in a gesture of reverse snobbery and self contempt, we impoverish ourselves and each other by rejecting a grammar we don't even understand.
    He produced the "greatest body of literature in the world" likely by copying incessantly from other works and writers. That said, I don't think what he wrote is anything special and I remember falling asleep in school trying to read that garbage.

    There's nothing wrong with wanting to use proper grammar or with getting your panties wet because someone does. The problem presents itself when others are judged negatively for not using proper grammar, especially to the extreme it's taken by many judgers (someone misspelled a word, so they should be publicly shamed, talked down to, seen as uneducated and stupid, yelled and screamed at, insulted constantly, fired, driven bankrupt, drug out to the parking lot, and beaten to death). It sounds like an exaggeration, but many grammar nazis repeat nothings to themselves until they feel justified something that stupid. They get off on taking positions like these, but the more they do it they dumber and more full of it they sound to me.

    I like the mention of accents defining class and worth in England centuries ago, as that is exactly the prejudice and stupidity present when someone's worth is judged (only negatively, as the use of proper grammar gets you nothing) based on their use of proper grammar, how on time they are, etc. Want a sign that someone is stupid? How about the part where they're stupid? Proper grammar and intelligence are not connected. Baggy/sagging pants, blonde hair, southern accents, etc and intelligence are not connected. Being a grammar nazi and being prejudiced, however, are connected.

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    I would argue that i'd rather have someone who was fixing something of mine be able to fix more over someone who can use a comma correctly
    In no likes experiment.

    that is all

    i dunno what else to say so

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    Quote Originally Posted by baccheion View Post
    After looking at answers given on OkCupid, the following is how likely each type is to be concerned with grammar, spelling, etc:
    Oh, how I love OKCupid! I guess this one makes me a statistical outlier, 'cause I'm a male INTJ and decidedly not a grammar Nazi. I was raised by an English teacher and later earned a BA in English, but I've been known to out-and-out rant about how absurd English grammar is.

    So if anything, I guess that makes me a grammar Ally.

    Quote Originally Posted by five sounds View Post
    Also, if you're speaking a second language, all judgment is gone.
    Oh absolutely! I'm frankly amazed that anyone bothers to learn ESL.
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    Quote Originally Posted by baccheion View Post
    He produced the "greatest body of literature in the world" likely by copying incessantly from other works and writers. That said, I don't think what he wrote is anything special and I remember falling asleep in school trying to read that garbage.

    There's nothing wrong with wanting to use proper grammar or with getting your panties wet because someone does. The problem presents itself when others are judged negatively for not using proper grammar, especially to the extreme it's taken by many judgers (someone misspelled a word, so they should be publicly shamed, talked down to, seen as uneducated and stupid, yelled and screamed at, insulted constantly, fired, driven bankrupt, drug out to the parking lot, and beaten to death). It sounds like an exaggeration, but many grammar nazis repeat nothings to themselves until they feel justified something that stupid. They get off on taking positions like these, but the more they do it they dumber and more full of it they sound to me.

    I like the mention of accents defining class and worth in England centuries ago, as that is exactly the prejudice and stupidity present when someone's worth is judged (only negatively, as the use of proper grammar gets you nothing) based on their use of proper grammar, how on time they are, etc. Want a sign that someone is stupid? How about the part where they're stupid? Proper grammar and intelligence are not connected. Baggy/sagging pants, blonde hair, southern accents, etc and intelligence are not connected. Being a grammar nazi and being prejudiced, however, are connected.
    Using the word Nazi in your argument simply shows you have lost the argument before you begin.

    And being proud of falling asleep reading Shakespeare is the boast of a pond life, only notable for its extreme vulgarity.

    And taking the moral high ground against grammar and comparative culture is the cheapest intellectual attitude.

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    Quote Originally Posted by baccheion View Post
    Baggy/sagging pants, blonde hair, southern accents, etc and intelligence are not connected.
    I don't know about that. I mean baggy/sagging pants screams LOOK AT ME! PAY ATTENTION TO ME! but not to advertise the vast intelligence of the person wearing them.
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