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    Your list seems accurate at the extreme ends, but not in the middle, in my (limited ) experience. The ENTP and ENFPs I know are definitely more extroverted than the ISxPs. My ISFP bf and I are both pretty introverted, by pretty much whatever definition you want to use. Definitely more than my good friend who's an ENTP, or ENxP acquaintances. We might like to go out and party or whatever in short doses, but it's always a relief to come home again.

    So with that in mind, I'm not sure that S vs N has more of an impact than I vs E, though I agree that Ss would tend to be more extroverted than Ns of the same type. The theories about the other traits seem reasonable as well.

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    I would say that ISXP types are very big on doing things but not necessarily talking or doing things with other people.

    The ENXP types are the reverse in that respect- they enjoy the company of others but don't always have to be doing things to be content but they hate being alone more than the ISXPs.

    I enjoy mingling with people more than my ISXP friends but they more so enjoy the activities involved with the typical college parties than I do- so I think we're even in that respect.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mondo View Post
    I would say that ISXP types are very big on doing things but not necessarily talking or doing things with other people.

    The ENXP types are the reverse in that respect- they enjoy the company of others but don't always have to be doing things to be content but they hate being alone more than the ISXPs.

    I enjoy mingling with people more than my ISXP friends but they more so enjoy the activities involved with the typical college parties than I do- so I think we're even in that respect.
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    I have read about that brain theory before and it seems to make sense. Or at least it seems to apply to me. I think I often get a more intense reaction than the average person. I can get very worked up over a book or movie. My adrenalin level can really get up there. I even hyper ventilated during an action seen in a movie. Playing D&D can really get my emotions up and sometimes even playing minatures games. I get worked up sometimes when my little plastic soldiers die and have to keep telling myself "it is just a game."

    Things like books, movies and games are good for an "ideal" level of stimulation, occasionally they are even too stimulating. But many people find these things boring, so I am guessing they are not getting any adrenaline out of it at all.

    I would concider myself to be an HSP. I have a strong appreciation for everyday sensory experiences - the taste of food, plants and flowers outside my building, etc. I also like to experience things away from distraction, for example I like looking at art in quiet, uncrouded museums or alone at home in an art book. I don't really seek out strong sensory experiences.

    I am not sure if extroverts are necessarily more active. There seem to be a lot of people who like to just "hang out" which is basically doing nothing, but in a group.

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    Presuming that we are talking about the socially accepted versions of extrovert and introvert (ie related to energy and people) the chart seems quite astute.

    I've been thinking about that particular scale recently and have had my definitions questioned in light of my own type being questioned.

    Introvert is usually thought of as more reclusive and less bothered with interaction. They are expected to be more passive than agressive and thought of as self contained, as much as a human can be. However if you think of introverts as living, by preference, in an "internal world" some of the confusion can be overcome. There are those introverts who will seek people out but usually these people are those who have something which will add to the internal world. Hence an introvert with an enthusiasm for comics may well seek out fellow comic lovers, be these others introverts or otherwise, to feed the internal world of comics which they carry around in their minds.

    With this in mind I was thinking myself about ENFPs who seem to spend so much time in quite introverted thinking despite being quite the attention seeker in many a case. The thought which occurred to me was that perhaps the ENFP is pulling in information to affirm their current viewpoint as many seem to lack the requisite critical thinking (not that I'm asserting that ENFPs lack in intelligence or anything of the sort, just a weakness perhaps in this one small area) to esablish firmly their own definitions for what is right and what isn't... or what is the best path ahead. Ergo although they are extroverted in that they network and are generally quite open and friendly they spend quite a lot of time sucking in information and establishing an internal world as a guide to their actions in the external world.

    As for the list as posted in the opening post, I can only nit pick. In general I find nothing wrong with the list. I am rather surprised to see ENTJs so far up the list but upon further analysis I can only conclude that their focus upon the external world, mostly to the detriment of the internal world, is about right. They establish what the external world should be and set about directing it's course. The same is true of the ISFJ, although mired quite often in the expectations and "supposed to's" of society they also emit such expectations with the thought that if they abide by it then so too should others.

    I do however have the nagging feeling that there's a problem with the list. As with many of Wildcat's writings my mind is drawn more to the larger picture and is distracted from such analysis of detail in focus. My concern is that in studying whether a particular type is more extroverted or introverted we are ignoring the wider implications of their preferences. ESFJs may well be extroverted but the foundations of their self image may well be routed quite firmly in the INTP side of their personality, hence the more solid appearance when compared to say an ESTP or an ENTP. This logically suggests more effort devoted to the introverted world and therefore does it not suggest that the model of a simple list does not do the full picture justice?

    As with all detailed studies I can only conclude that the list is correct within it's context and useful as a case study but perhaps misleading of the overall picture.

    Mind you though it's something I'd not thought of. I was intending to write a new thread based on extroversion versus introversion and the disparity between what people see as E or I versus what it actually is in terms of cognitive wiring.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Haphazard View Post
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    Because of this, I propose that Myers-Briggs 'introversion' and 'extroversion' is definitely not the same as traditional introversion and extroversion ...
    I agree with you completely.
    Additionally, the MBTT differences between E and I are difficult to describe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xander View Post
    My concern is that in studying whether a particular type is more extroverted or introverted we are ignoring the wider implications of their preferences. ESFJs may well be extroverted but the foundations of their self image may well be routed quite firmly in the INTP side of their personality, hence the more solid appearance when compared to say an ESTP or an ENTP.
    Could you expand on the bolded part? I'm not entirely sure what you mean.

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    This post really deserved more attention, it's well thought out and seems to carry much way in many regards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sunshine View Post
    ENXPs at what point do being around people and having your senses stimulated drain you?

    Same question to ISXXs.
    if the company is good...i never feel drained. i can stay up till 6 or so the next morning chatting if i'm having fun.

    if i'm not enjoying the people...i can't really pretend to longer than 30 min to an hour.
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    When I think of Extroverted vs Introverted, it comes down to the need for outside stimulation. Extroverts need human interaction or they feel like something is missing and they'll take action to find stimulation. Introverts need time alone or they feel overwhelmed and overstimulated.

    Being 100% Introverted I'm an extreme case, but I don't require any outside stimulation. I rarely seek people out and couldn't say what being lonely feels like. For a few years, until last fall, I lived a very social life and it was absolutely exhausting. At the end of the night, I couldn't wait to be alone to just breath and reflect. I came to realize how much I valued solitary pursuits and began to spend more and more time alone. I'm not anti-social, I just don't need people around in order to feel satisfied.

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