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    Reading statistics like this I'm always surprised at what a small percentage of the population actually is homosexual, it would lead me suspect that homosexuals are over represented in TV, film, fiction and the media.

    Homosexuality itself is probably over represented as a political issue and cultural issue of pressing importance too.

    I dont think that typology and sexuality can be correlated, even if there are a lot of self-reports because MBTI is far from an exacting and undisputed science when it comes to things it clearly aims to explain such as preferences for particular cognitive sets such as intuition, sensing, feeling, thinking, perceiving, judging let alone sexuality.

    To be honest its very difficult to discover any theories about the genesis of sexual orientation which are accepted or acceptable universally, certainly not within the homosexual community itself or its various political organs, genetic causation, innateness, estragen in the womb, cultural influences within the home or wider society, including vogues and trends, have all been embraced and rejected at different times, usually when they have been perceived as more validating and then dismissed when problems arise, such as serving one type of homosexuality well but not another such as bisexuality (not strictly homosexuality but usually categorised as the same, or broadly similar, by supporters and detractors alike for different reasons, its curious how bisexuals could be an "other" for both the heterosexual and homosexual communities).

    Most of the better Freudian and Jungian explanations of homosexuality have been dismissed as politically incorrect and tantamount to hate crimes by pretty much all schools of thought in psychology or psycho-analysis since about the sixties or seventies. If any attempt is being made to tie MBTI to sexual orientation wouldnt it just be considered too tainted by its origins in the theories of Jung and by extention Freud?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    Reading statistics like this I'm always surprised at what a small percentage of the population actually is homosexual, it would lead me suspect that homosexuals are over represented in TV, film, fiction and the media.

    Homosexuality itself is probably over represented as a political issue and cultural issue of pressing importance too.

    I dont think that typology and sexuality can be correlated, even if there are a lot of self-reports because MBTI is far from an exacting and undisputed science when it comes to things it clearly aims to explain such as preferences for particular cognitive sets such as intuition, sensing, feeling, thinking, perceiving, judging let alone sexuality.

    To be honest its very difficult to discover any theories about the genesis of sexual orientation which are accepted or acceptable universally, certainly not within the homosexual community itself or its various political organs, genetic causation, innateness, estragen in the womb, cultural influences within the home or wider society, including vogues and trends, have all been embraced and rejected at different times, usually when they have been perceived as more validating and then dismissed when problems arise, such as serving one type of homosexuality well but not another such as bisexuality (not strictly homosexuality but usually categorised as the same, or broadly similar, by supporters and detractors alike for different reasons, its curious how bisexuals could be an "other" for both the heterosexual and homosexual communities).

    Most of the better Freudian and Jungian explanations of homosexuality have been dismissed as politically incorrect and tantamount to hate crimes by pretty much all schools of thought in psychology or psycho-analysis since about the sixties or seventies. If any attempt is being made to tie MBTI to sexual orientation wouldnt it just be considered too tainted by its origins in the theories of Jung and by extention Freud?
    As far as I know, the only explanations that have been rejected are Freudian psychoanalysis and 'cultural influences', because time has proven them wrong. I also seriously doubt anybody is trying to make an attempt to 'tie' sexuality to Jungian type. Even if there were, though, it would still be easy to leave out Freud.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seymour View Post
    Actually, looking at it in more detail, the number of profiles per type vs the MBTI (US) National Representative sample is pretty different for men. For example, there are 6.32 times as high a percentage of INFJs as were in the national sample, but only 0.23 times as many ESFJs as one would expect. Is this because of bias in OkCupid self-selection, or some other factor? Hard to tell.

    Still, if we multiplied out the gay male percentage per type (from OkCupid data) times the percentage of population per type from the representative sample, we'd get (for gay men of a given type as a percentage of the overall population):

    ESFJ: 1.95%
    ESTJ: 1.57%
    ISTJ: 1.43%
    ISFJ: 1.40%
    ESFP: 1.20%
    ENFP: 1.05%
    ESTP: 0.75%
    ISFP: 0.74%
    INFP: 0.54%
    ISTP: 0.42%
    INTJ: 0.35%
    ENFJ: 0.34%
    ENTJ: 0.31%
    INTP: 0.30%
    ENTP: 0.29%
    ISTP: 0.23%
    INFJ: 0.22%

    Which seems a little truer to life. SFJs still are very high (with ESFJs being the most common type for gay men), but TJs fill the #2 and #3 slot.
    See I wonder how much of this is stereotypes and self report without any knowledge of Jung, Beebe, Keirsey, etc....because a couple of people actually thought my ESFJ ex was gay (not, very straight, and comfortable enough with his sexual orientation to have a close gay male friend) ...like its like the stereotypes of fabulous or meticulously gay men is ExFJ, either the ESFJ who fixes your hair and is like your best "girl" friend, or the ENFJ who is is either a little more show business or social justice warrior. Plus SJs are simply more common.

    Another reason I take issue, is because homosexual women are more likely to be introverted special snowflake INxx? No, that's not a modern lesbian stereotype at all, now that we know gay women are not all "butch."

    I find this all very suspect frankly, because there actually is a diversity of personality of homosexual people that I have encountered among friends or acquaintences in real life.


    I also find it interesting that women are more eager to identify as bisexuals, especially among types who may be more "lipstick" like ISFP, ENFP and ISFJ.

    Maybe there are just a lot of INFP women on OKCupid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicodemus View Post
    As far as I know, the only explanations that have been rejected are Freudian psychoanalysis and 'cultural influences', because time has proven them wrong. I also seriously doubt anybody is trying to make an attempt to 'tie' sexuality to Jungian type. Even if there were, though, it would still be easy to leave out Freud.

    Except the part where the lesbian women are literally identifying as "inverts"...i.e. INxx are the most extreme introverts, especially INXP, and that used to be an insulting term psychiatric community once gave to homosexuals. I would like to see a broader sample of the entire population of a nation, versus members of OkCupid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marmotini View Post
    Except the part where the lesbian women are literally identifying as "inverts"...i.e. INxx are the most extreme introverts, especially INXP, and that used to be an insulting term psychiatric community once gave to homosexuals. I would like to see a broader sample of the entire population of a nation, versus members of OkCupid.
    Studies of the sexuality-molding effects hormons seem to have on the fetus suggest there is more to the theory of sexual inversion than one might suspect given its date of origin. In fact, as Wikipedia tells me, its proponent, Richard von Krafft-Ebing, "proposed a theory of homosexuality as biologically anomalous and originating in the embryonic and fetal stages of gestation, which evolved into a "sexual inversion" of the brain. In 1901, in an article in the Jahrbuch für sexuelle Zwischenstufen (Yearbook of Sexual Intermediate Stages), he changed the biological term from anomaly to differentiation."

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    Quote Originally Posted by PocketFullOf View Post
    What about asexual?
    You can be asexual and "straight/bi/gay". Rather, it's called "hetero-romantic, homo-romantic, bi-romantic". So it's not mutually exclusive.

    I think one thing that must be considered when analyzing the data is that what we have is an indication of how people identify themselves, not what they *are*. I think this explains why you see a higher % of gay men than gay women, but then a higher % of bisexual women than bisexual men. If we were to sum the 2, they'd probably be similar (gay+bi men = gay + bi women). I would imagine this is related to how sexuality is perceived and accepted in society, with bisexual men suffering a lot of pressure to identify as gay (whereas the image of bisexual women in society is associated with porn. well, it turns out that society's pressure is phallocentric, so mostly men ---> men and women --> men lol)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    To be honest its very difficult to discover any theories about the genesis of sexual orientation which are accepted or acceptable universally, certainly not within the homosexual community itself or its various political organs, genetic causation, innateness, estragen in the womb, cultural influences within the home or wider society, including vogues and trends, have all been embraced and rejected at different times, usually when they have been perceived as more validating and then dismissed when problems arise, such as serving one type of homosexuality well but not another such as bisexuality (not strictly homosexuality but usually categorised as the same, or broadly similar, by supporters and detractors alike for different reasons, its curious how bisexuals could be an "other" for both the heterosexual and homosexual communities).
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    Quote Originally Posted by BadOctopus View Post
    I didn't think there would be any real correlation between MBTI type and sexual orientation, but apparently I was wrong. I wonder why introverted females are more likely to be gay, while it's the extroverts who are more likely to be gay among males.
    Quote Originally Posted by BadOctopus View Post
    I didn't think there would be any real correlation between MBTI type and sexual orientation, but apparently I was wrong. I wonder why introverted females are more likely to be gay, while it's the extroverts who are more likely to be gay among males.
    Coz the society thinks women are more extroverted, but it is not true in some countries

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    I noticed that there are less straight women than mem. Probambly because the society tend to accept lesbian more than gay

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    Can someone give me a rational argument for why one would even think sexuality would correlate with type?

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    Coz the society thinks women are more extroverted, but it is not true in some countries
    I've heard both stereotypes. Women are all extroverts, or women are all introverts. gender stereotypes are the dumbest thing in existence, and they are the most counterproductive thing.
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