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    Quote Originally Posted by Sunshine View Post
    Same. Well some of the time...it depends on the emotion...sadness and happiness never seem to affect me in that department. Anger, fear, and frustration seem to though.
    For me, even being very happy, or very sad makes it hard for me to think clearly also.

    If there is such a thing, "extreme calm" is when I think most clearly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ygolo View Post
    For me, even being very happy, or very sad makes it hard for me to think clearly also.

    If there is such a thing, "extreme calm" is when I think most clearly.
    Maybe it's just becaue I have myself so trained...being an enneagram 4 I get used to having to deal with my extreme emotions.

    Not frustration and fear though. I have to really watch out for those. I swear I've done some of the dumbest things ever under the influence of those emotions. Luckily I don't have to worry about anger so much because it always seems to dissipate within minutes...I simply can't sustain it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ygolo View Post
    For me, even being very happy, or very sad makes it hard for me to think clearly also.

    If there is such a thing, "extreme calm" is when I think most clearly.
    There we go, dispassionate contemplation is most conducive to clear-thinking.

    Feeling is analogous to emotion as magnet to a metal.

    How do I feel? How will I feel? How can I make the ambience around me more pleasant. Are all examples of Feeling at work. Technically it is thinking that is concerned with framing such questions, but it is at the behest of Feeling. This seems adequate to adduce that Feeling intensifies our passions and therefore leads us away from dispassionate contemplation which is necessary for clear-thinking.
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    So you are saying that being a Feeler makes ones emotions more intense?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueWing View Post
    There we go, dispassionate contemplation is most conducive to clear-thinking.

    Feeling is analogous to emotion as magnet to a metal.

    How do I feel? How will I feel? How can I make the ambience around me more pleasant. Are all examples of Feeling at work. Technically it is thinking that is concerned with framing such questions, but it is at the behest of Feeling. This seems adequate to adduce that Feeling intensifies our passions and therefore leads us away from dispassionate contemplation which is necessary for clear-thinking.
    So?

    EDIT:Sunshine's question is also relavent. Though I think as a generalization, it may be true, it is not a foregone conclusion, nor does it mean anything from moment to moment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ygolo View Post
    So?
    Hehe.
    That's my question too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ygolo View Post
    So?

    EDIT:Sunshine's question is also relavent. Though I think as a generalization, it may be true, it is not a foregone conclusion, nor does it mean anything from moment to moment.
    For this reason we must avoid Feeling (value-judgments) in making practical decisions in life as those earnestly require that we know what we are doing. The only reliable way to knowing what we are doing is thinking things through as accurately as possible.
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    Popping in...

    I've already pointed in the past how often Thinking driven pursuits result in emotional outbursts. Are we talking about emotions in terms of a sentimental thought process in ones mind, or the personal expression that we often associate with emotions?


    I have a hypothetical question.

    Let's suppose there are two people:

    One is a person that is highly temperamental, but is concerned with logical and factual endeavors, and is very skilled and educated in handling them.

    This other is a person that is remarkably self-disciplined and dispassionate, but cares not for logical or factual discussions and barely understands how to approach them.

    Which of these too people is of more value to your society, BlueWing?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueWing View Post
    For this reason we must avoid Feeling (value-judgments) in making practical decisions in life as those earnestly require that we know what we are doing. The only reliable way to knowing what we are doing is thinking things through as accurately as possible.
    So basically, "Don't try to paint a picture with a pitch fork, if you're going to paint a picture, use a paint brush."

    As in "If you have a situation that regires thinking, use it, don't use value judgements."

    ??

    ETA: Feeling (the descision making function) does not equal value judgements.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueWing View Post
    For this reason we must avoid Feeling (value-judgments) in making practical decisions in life as those earnestly require that we know what we are doing. The only reliable way to knowing what we are doing is thinking things through as accurately as possible.
    I agree, but... Practical for what? The practicality of a decision is determined in part by context. Namely, the context of ones aim. And of course, the context of ones aim is defined by Feeling. Your Feelings are partly what determine the practicality of a decision.
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