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    Quote Originally Posted by doppelganger View Post
    How do you do it? And how does what you do depend on the type you do it on--eg, T vs F, N vs S, etc? What types are the easiest to manipulate? And what types the hardest?
    People manipulation is something that I imagine INTP's are lazy about. I doubt they'd care enough to bother in most situations. INTP's are generally pretty chill, they can be passive aggressive though and that can have it's spikes of manipulation. I don't see them carrying any kind of mission in regards to manipulating people though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HelenOfTroy View Post
    People manipulation is something that I imagine INTP's are lazy about. I doubt they'd care enough to bother in most situations. INTP's are generally pretty chill, they can be passive aggressive though and that can have it's spikes of manipulation. I don't see them carrying any kind of mission in regards to manipulating people though.
    Too "lazy" to manipulate others? Or too unaware of how to do it? Or too unaware of what it means to manipulate others in reality?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ExNinjaTropPervertie View Post

    Each type can manipulate with its own strengths. So a T will use ideas, an F feelings and so on.

    NT are not the bests with feelings ! They may be the best to control them unconsciously and naturally.
    I'm working on my own feelings, but I used to ignore them.
    I could be wrong, but it seems that NTs, especially ENTxs, are actually very good at understanding feelings and knowing how to poke at them. Because their own feelings aren't as involved, it makes it even easier. True, we can suck at realizing/dealing with our OWN feelings, but others? Shooting fish in a barrel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mal12345 View Post
    Too "lazy" to manipulate others? Or too unaware of how to do it? Or too unaware of what it means to manipulate others in reality?
    A combination mostly the first and last of those options, INTP's can be pretty clever and crafty but they rarely manipulate 'reality' as you put it. I can see them writing about it quite proficiently if they took an interest.
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    Quote Originally Posted by johnnyyukon View Post
    I could be wrong, but it seems that NTs, especially ENTxs, are actually very good at understanding feelings and knowing how to poke at them. Because their own feelings aren't as involved, it makes it even easier. True, we can suck at realizing/dealing with our OWN feelings, but others? Shooting fish in a barrel.

    We understand each other, right ?

    I understand others very easily and very quickly. Indeed, understanding does not mean one is involved.

    Mind & heart are two distinct organs, and I perfectly know when my head is speaking and/or my heart is involved.

    Due to my own story, I felt the NEED to explore my own feelings. It is a long story of mine...


    One day, a friend of mine told me (the dude is an ENFP) : "Come on !!! Wake up !! How can you be so hard with yourself ?"

    I could not believe what he had just said. It was so true... Then he added very firmly :" Do you realise that ? (looking at me straight in the eyes)"

    I answered with a slight NO (but deep inside of course I knew it).

    Then he took my hand and told me : "You are a woman, not a rugbyman or a catcher, so my advice as a friend is now :

    Take in consideration your OWN feelings, it's impossible to keep on living as you do !"


    This day, like some few others, was a key-moment when I got conscious I must work on MY feelings before to forget all of them

    Yes, as an NT I can be hard with others sometimes (what my NF friends still say sometimes and I hate them telling me that !!).

    But also many times with myself. By not paying attention to any deep feeling, by rationalizing too much when suffering (in the past).


    I don't think I've manipulated some people. Or "just for some little stuffs", "for fun" (who DOESN'T ?), not for Big Machiavel Plans.

    As an ENTP I'd say I'm able to manage my own feelings, have a lot of control over them (but it is much better than ignoring them),

    and manipulate my OWN feelings*. I have changed for my well-being thanks to some people I trust enough to listen to them.


    (*No, this one is not pleasant, it does not exist, let's be an alchemist. Et voilà how to turn bronze into gold.......)


    Today, I'm so glad I've learnt that Ignoring feelings is as weak as only being focused one one's feelings !

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    Quote Originally Posted by ExNinjaTropPervertie View Post
    I felt the NEED to explore my own feelings.
    Do you mind sharing what techniques you use?

    Funny thing, so I walk into this crystal/magick shop in Denver and talk to the owner for a while, I don't have enough cash on me to be these 5 quartz crystals and he basically cuts 50% off the price so I can afford them. And, although I'd only talked to him for 10 minutes, and don't recall revealing too much, he said "You're very hard on yourself, I can tell. Don't be."

    It kinda hit me. He was absolutely right, but that was the first time anyone ever said it. They've said it since, and I usually say, "I know I know, I don't know how to stop though."

    In some ways it's made me a better person with more integrity, but it gets out of control. I still suck at managing my feelings but the best things I've found so far are meditation and some intensive exercise. Helps get me out of my head more and into my body, where da feelings lie.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HelenOfTroy View Post
    A combination mostly the first and last of those options, INTP's can be pretty clever and crafty but they rarely manipulate 'reality' as you put it. I can see them writing about it quite proficiently if they took an interest.
    I was talking about what manipulation means in reality, in action, in actual doing of it, rather than merely knowing what it is. There is a vast distinction with the INTP type between knowing how to do something in theory and actually doing it.

    ENTPs at my job are masters at manipulating the system and other people. I don't know how they do it, except in theory. I only know that it's something that's possible to do yet somehow beyond me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mal12345 View Post
    ENTPs at my job are masters at manipulating the system and other people. I don't know how they do it, except in theory. I only know that it's something that's possible to do yet somehow beyond me.
    I don't know which kind of job you are doing so I can't speak about details.

    All I can say about my own situation : I hate control. I naturally find solutions others don't think of because I can't stand routine, authority and constraints.
    People love me or hate me at work (and elsewhere maybe !) :
    When I've made up my mind not to respect a rule because it's stupid, or not to talk to this one because I don't wanna lose my time, one can't easily make me change my mind.
    I've been fired so many times (+ my so subtype is in 3rd position) and did not give a damn because I know I was right !

    This is not manipulation, it's just avoiding shit !
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mal12345 View Post
    I was talking about what manipulation means in reality, in action, in actual doing of it, rather than merely knowing what it is. There is a vast distinction with the INTP type between knowing how to do something in theory and actually doing it.

    ENTPs at my job are masters at manipulating the system and other people. I don't know how they do it, except in theory. I only know that it's something that's possible to do yet somehow beyond me.
    I went to a small, highly credited interactive media school of about 200 students, and when I left I was told that "You manipulated everyone in that building."

    Haha. I suppose it's because I have the gift of gab and can connect with just about anyone, including the owners, teachers, and administrators. Playfully flirt, compliment the women, and respected by the men. I was generally pleasant, but also not a pushover, and would speak my mind to whoever if I felt I was in the right.

    And I guess the girl that said that meant that I got the classes I wanted, I simply skipped many of the ones that were total bullshit and passed anyway, and, well I'm not sure.

    I think the combination of being likeable, respected (giving respect too), and quickly connecting with a deeper part of a person, allowed me to get away with more. And also giving extra attention to the people with the most power, also known as "kissing ass" but that's not really what I did (maybe a little). Just schmoozed with them. I've never feared authority, so that shit doesn't intimidate me.

    I dunno, I just understand human systems. Same thing happened at an office I worked at. But I've tooted my own horn enough.
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    Ok, so we have the ENTP 7/8 sx/sp type who says it's not manipulation, and the ENTP 7w8 sp/sx who likes to dabble in manipulation once in a while, including everybody in an entire building...
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