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    Quote Originally Posted by AffirmitiveAnxiety View Post
    I change my type a lot, that doesn't necessarily mean my type changes. More so that I am just unaware and unsure.

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    Who are you trying to reassure? And how do you know?

    As much as it comforts to hold onto the notion of stable type using perhaps extreme examples as justification, it is no less reasonable to suggest that it changes with time as we reinvent ourselves.

    Personality is more like a soft stone, as water presses against it, it gives way in various nodules and dips. These become familiar over time, but that doesn't prevent the water from changing those once familiar dips into something completely different.
    A question was asked and I'm answering it. I've read a tremendous amount of material on the subject and the message is always consistent - that your type doesn't change. That isn't to say we don't evolve as people. As we mature and hopefully evolve our consciousness, we are also better able to access our less preferred cognitive functions. Here are a couple of links.

    Can you change your personality type? - CAPT.org

    Can Personality Type Change over Time?

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    Perhaps a corollary to this thread could be, typing yourself when your state of development makes you look like another type. Like, the difference between a J with self discipline issues and an actual P, an F with repressed emotions and a T, an INTJ with a Te-Se fixation and an ISTJ, etc.

    If I start doing youtube videos I plan to do a series of these.

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    Quote Originally Posted by highlander View Post
    A question was asked and I'm answering it. I've read a tremendous amount of material on the subject and the message is always consistent - that your type doesn't change. That isn't to say we don't evolve as people. As we mature and hopefully evolve our consciousness, we are also better able to access our less preferred cognitive functions. Here are a couple of links.

    Can you change your personality type? - CAPT.org

    Can Personality Type Change over Time?
    Hmm well these are interesting reads.

    And they are presenting arguments I USED to make when first getting into the theory. But this idea of a separate self from cognitive functions, Ie: here are the functions and their framework and now here is the person with all their experiences and individuality, (haw haw), seems oddly contradictory but then again I suppose it can be justified in that general framework way, it's not a real problem I suppose I just find it irritatingly convenient. However while I acknowledge that Jung was against extreme biological thinking such as the brain houses everything and is all there is, he only ever used the rather flimsy evidence that because people can have two kids who turn out very differently despite similar experiences, this means there must be something else.

    I guess it is about belief in that rigidity because it is the easiest way to move forward since you have a platform to step from mentally. But there actually is no reason not to think about and interpret the theory in innumerable different ways, the fact that an authority tells me "No! It is thus!" is no evidence that it really is thus.

    And it's only as logical as the theory allows it to be. Which is not to say it is wrong or right, just I wonder why it is we interpret it THIS way in particular?
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    I absolutely believe people CAN change. Probably not very often. I grew into ISTJ from INTP.

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    The MBTI's stance is that Type is innate. You may learn to use your non-preferred functions, but you always have your natural preferences. They liken it to handedness. You may prefer to write with one hand, but you can learn to use the other, it just won't feel as natural and comfortable as your preferred one.

    Jung on the other hand believed that type can change:

    Type is nothing static. It changes with the course of life.
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    According to most theorists, one's underlying type is constant. 'Personality changes' are usually chalked up to one developing inferior functions or finding their true type (previously clouded by bad experiences, bad childhood, etc.) or whatever. If you have to perform Olympic-level mental gymnastics to make all of that fit the theory, it's probably not worth the effort if your goal is to understand yourself.

    I'd just take it for what it is: results of psychometric tests can change over time, and result snapshots are probably reflective of how you perceive yourself (since they're self-report) as you get thrust into new circumstances or otherwise grow. One set of descriptions might seem to fit at some time, then another at some other time. Nothing wrong with that.
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    Type isn't an end in itself, it's a pitstop on a journey to an end - transcending the type problem. That's right - problem. According to Jung and Marie-Louise von Franz who worked with Jung until his death, and became a co-founder of the C. G. Jung Institute in Zurich, Type is a problem, not a solution. von Franz goes into great depth discussing how one can overcome the type problem in her book, Psychotherapy.
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    I think a semantic clarification might be helpful here too.

    When I say "my type changed", what I mean is that the results coming back on various type measuring instruments changed. This can be caused by any number of things (in my case, I think it was a result of a lack of self-awareness and general life experience).

    I'm inclined, though, to agree with highlander in the sense that ones *core* set of preferences does not, in fact, change. At least once it's established in early life.

    I also think it's helpful to distinguish between temperament and personality; temperament generally referring to patterns of thinking and general, long standing preferences or perspectives, personality referring to behavior, which is of course associated with temperament, but also highly context dependent.

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    I agree with highlander. While of course people change to some extent with time, a change in cognitive functions would be really drastic and very unlikely. Maybe INTP to ISFJ kind of a change isn't as big a deal because they do use the same functions in different orders, but overall one's core personality is pretty much constant. Of course a lot of people get a lot of different results with online tests, most of them either aren't that accurate, or their answers weren't very consistent from test to test, or the test was just a really bad one that types solely on the letters without looking at the functions at all, or the test wasn't thorough enough. This is why I think it's better to just to extensive research and type yourself rather than take tests; I think we all know ourselves better than any quiz ever can.

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    Assuming type is real to begin with, it doesn't change.

    That's a big assumption though, isn't it?

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