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    Default The Perfect Middle of a Trait.

    I just read about this in THIS BOOK based on the five-factor model of personality.

    Anyway, it presents with a wonderful graph involving what looks like an upside-down bell curve. The Y-axis is degree of consistency on a trait and the X-axis is level of the trait (low to high).

    So what does this mean? Using extroversion as an example, if someone scores very low or high on this, it's pretty much definite that they consistently like extroverted or introverted stuff. However, if someone scores as a perfect ambivert (50 out of 100), this could come from two extreme results and anything inbetween. One extreme would be nothing but middle answers on all questions having to do with this trait. The other extreme would be the result of 50% lowest answers and 50% highest answers.

    With the MBTI, people are often undecided about a trait, and now I see that this could very possibly be the result of being moderate with a trait, or it could be the result of bouncing between both pretty regularly.

    With extroversion you would have either someone who likes to switch between larger social gatherings and solitude, or someone who doesn't like too much of either one and prefers having a one to four friends and family members around most of the time.

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    A little added example for clarity.

    Joe scored a 50 on extroversion out of 100. Bob scored a 90. Joe's result came from a balance of 0's and 100's. Bob's result came as a balance of 80's and 100's. The 0's and 100's are quite far from 50, but the 80's and 100's aren't too far from 90. This helps demonstrate how the higher and lower scores absolutely must have more consistency than middle scores.

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    Test results don't match actual type much of the time, the margin of error is huge, they're unreliable, stop trusting them. And naturally ignore the extraneous percentages.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Flak View Post
    Test results don't match actual type much of the time, the margin of error is huge, they're unreliable, stop trusting them. And naturally ignore the extraneous percentages.
    The five-factor approach generally gives you a number and sorts you into either 3 or 5 categories per trait. The MBTI is about forcing you into one category so there is only consistent results for about 50% of people.

    There was a test designed for the five-factor approach called the NEO PI-R. I bet they did a lot of work on it to get it consistent and as accurate as possible. I took a class in psychological test design, so I know about all that stuff.

    My point didn't have anything to do with testing, though. It was that a person can be situational or consistent with a trait, and that the more towards either pole a trait is, the more likely it'll be consistent through all situations. Someone as introverted as possible will be blatantly introverted in all situations.

    I have a friend who to me seems really outgoing. However, I was talking to a mutual friend about him, and he said that he's quite an introvert. I was like, "What? No way." Then he went on to emphasize how he likes to spend a lot of time playing Nintendo by himself. I never knew he liked doing that. All I knew of him was the extremely bold and talkative person that would strike up a conversation with anybody effectively. So, now I would conclude that he'd probably score as an ambivert, but he bounces between socialness and solitude quite comfortably rather than between consistently moderate on the extroversion scale.

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    Which does he prefer?

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    One of my pet peaves about some personality test are that they doesn't determain the independant strength of each trait, just their strengths relative to each other.

    Take the example of someone who is close on F and T.

    It could be because both F and T are very strong. (Third or Fourth trait is developed more strongly than usual.)

    It could also be becuase both F and T are very week. (Dominant or Secondary trait is weeker than normal.)

    There is a big difference between these two.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ilah View Post
    One of my pet peaves about some personality test are that they doesn't determain the independant strength of each trait, just their strengths relative to each other.

    Take the example of someone who is close on F and T.

    It could be because both F and T are very strong. (Third or Fourth trait is developed more strongly than usual.)

    It could also be becuase both F and T are very week. (Dominant or Secondary trait is weeker than normal.)

    There is a big difference between these two.

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    Which trait do these people...how shall I say...have a preference for?

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    At tests I normally score as INTP or INFP. T and F are very close. The questions of these tests are build on assumptions which are often not true of everyone with that particular preference. For example, theres a question about what you dislike more in other people. If they are too insensitive or too emotional. Is my T more developed because I pick too emotional? I dont think so. My preference and my values are Fi. Te comes up if Im stressed, its not developed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Flak View Post
    Which does he prefer?
    When people are around he prefers to be social, but I guess there are also times when he likes sitting around playing his Nintendo as opposed to seeking out company. The preference is situational.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ImNotTooPopular View Post
    When people are around he prefers to be social, but I guess there are also times when he likes sitting around playing his Nintendo as opposed to seeking out company. The preference is situational.
    Most people are like that, I think. But I only know a minority of all people.

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