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    when i say relevance i mean external relevance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dissonance View Post
    i mean that my one sentence definition in that last post completely defines Ti and Te. there is nothing more complicated than that.

    Ti = deductive reasoning based on internal state (aka current thought process, goals, etc.)
    Te = deductive reasoning based on external state (aka current conversation, things in front of you, etc.)

    so you can see why Te would be relevant and Ti would be thorough.
    Well, that is also an over-simplification and I am amazed with the relevant/thorough conclusion.

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    how is it oversimplified? why are you amazed?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dissonance View Post
    how is it oversimplified?
    You're basically literally translating the letters:
    T+I = thinking + introverted = deductive reasoning based on internal state
    T+E = thinking + extroverted = deductive reasoning based on external state

    Quote Originally Posted by dissonance View Post
    why are you amazed?
    Cause it doesn't follow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lastrailway View Post
    You're basically literally translating the letters:
    T+I = thinking + introverted = deductive reasoning based on internal state
    T+E = thinking + extroverted = deductive reasoning based on external state
    yes.

    Cause it doesn't follow.
    which logical step is wrong?

    (where is BW?)

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    Quote Originally Posted by dissonance View Post
    which logical step is wrong?

    (where is BW?)
    The step where took a complex process, you defined it (not wrongly, I admit) in an overly-simplified way, based only on the name of this process, and then used one of the words of your simplified description to form a conclusion.

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    so you disagree with my premise.

    how do you define Te and Ti?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dissonance View Post
    so you disagree with my premise.

    how do you define Te and Ti?
    I don't disagree, in the sense that your definition compared to the definitions of Te and Ti, there's not direct contradiction.
    But it is so schematic that leaves out a great deal of the original definition (see links).

    And, just to make sure I've being clear, I'm not typing BW or anyone else, I'm simply discussing over the function processes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lastrailway View Post
    I don't disagree, in the sense that your definition compared to the definitions of Te and Ti, there's not direct contradiction.
    But it is so schematic that leaves out a great deal of the original definition (see links).

    And, just to make sure I've being clear, I'm not typing BW or anyone else, I'm simply discussing over the function processes.
    ah. well i think those definitions are overcomplicated. (you can derive them from the definitions i use)



    i see we're getting nowhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Athenian200 View Post
    You don't like me, do you?
    Thou shalt not take the NT observation personally.

    Alright, alright: .

    How would you explain your particular writing style?

    People are usually fairly good with both the introverted and extroverted version of their dominant function, I've noticed -- they just don't lean on the one not in their type code nearly as much.
    Agreed, but would you also say that Ni cannot provide sudden realisations that make you go beyond the conclusion you had first arrived at?

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