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    Default Do you understand yourself well without typology?

    Do you have difficulty with achieving satisfactory self-understanding without a categorizing system?

    Personally I know and understand myself via introspecting but cannot do so well with applying myself to an external system. I understand that many come to a typology such as MBTI so they can understand themselves better.

    So: would you have a difficult time with understanding yourself without a typological framework in which you can categorize your traits? Is it necessary to have this framework to quantify how you function, or is it mere interest that brought you to them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Caw the rooks View Post
    Do you have difficulty with achieving satisfactory self-understanding without a categorizing system?

    Personally I know and understand myself via introspecting but cannot do so well with applying myself to an external system. I understand that many come to a typology such as MBTI so they can understand themselves better.

    So: would you have a difficult time with understanding yourself without a typological framework in which you can categorize your traits? Is it necessary to have this framework to quantify how you function, or is it mere interest that brought you to them?
    This is a great thread.

    You are right -- I absolutely cling on to external frameworks in order to better understand myself and others. I have to actively stop myself from doing this many times to remember that people are far more vibrant and wholesome than a set of characteristics or categories.

    I understand myself by disagreeing with others -- it's through conflict and action that I start hearing my own voice, otherwise I begin to feel like I melt into my surroundings. It's in the times I feel melted into my surroundings that I reach out to external frameworks as a reference point for understanding individuals including myself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tem View Post
    You are right -- I absolutely cling on to external frameworks in order to better understand myself and others. I have to actively stop myself from doing this many times to remember that people are far more vibrant and wholesome than a set of characteristics or categories.
    So do you have a hard time identifying with or appreciating people because of themselves as a whole rather than their set of characteristics? I see you identify with INTJ; so this would be a manifestation of Te. I wonder if those that identify with Te > Ti will have an easier time working with these systems. It seems logical that these types would naturally be attuned to finding use and working within their paradigms.

    I understand myself by disagreeing with others -- it's through conflict and action that I start hearing my own voice, otherwise I begin to feel like I melt into my surroundings. It's in the times I feel melted into my surroundings that I reach out to external frameworks as a reference point for understanding individuals including myself.
    That's interesting... so it's almost like a source of control, and perhaps comfort, for you? You latch onto these external systems to keep you stable?

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    It's a mere interest that I let heavily influence me. I got into mbti when I was about 13.

    The thing with me is I've always been a reflective, withdrawn, inquisitive, and intellectual girl.

    I've always known I'm not like most people. I stand out in both good and bad ways. I can blend into the crowd but as soon as we start talking it's pretty immediate. You can tell I'm not like any girl you've met. Either you really like this or you're seriously weirded out :P

    I don't even think mbti fully captures me with all my quirks and inconsistencies. Mbti is a nice tool but it is only a small piece to the puzzle of who you are

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    I think i understand myself better without an external system. with that being said as soon as i describe myself accurately I become the opposite. So I can't tell you about myself.
    In no likes experiment.

    that is all

    i dunno what else to say so

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keirouen View Post
    It's a mere interest that I let heavily influence me. I got into mbti when I was about 13.

    The thing with me is I've always been a reflective, withdrawn, inquisitive, and intellectual girl.

    I've always known I'm not like most people. I stand out in both good and bad ways. I can blend into the crowd but as soon as we start talking it's pretty immediate. You can tell I'm not like any girl you've met. Either you really like this or you're seriously weirded out :P
    I guess typology is especially helpful to those like you; different, perhaps doesn't quite fit in. Someone like that would like to understand just why this is! And typology gives a quantifiable, accessible answer to the question.

    I don't even think mbti fully captures me with all my quirks and inconsistencies. Mbti is a nice tool but it is only a small piece to the puzzle of who you are
    Ah, you can't expect it to. My analogy is that MBTI is like a blurry photograph. You get the general outline of what it is you just took a picture of, but most of the details are left out. You can tell it's a sycamore tree, rather than a willow, but not really what makes this sycamore tree different to other ones.

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    I understand myself fairly well. But JCF and Socionics transcend my understanding of self and allow me to pin-point exact qualities that define me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by prplchknz View Post
    I think i understand myself better without an external system. with that being said as soon as i describe myself accurately I become the opposite. So I can't tell you about myself.
    Lol... perhaps you are both, if you can become both. Fire and ice entangled in a sweet embrace!

    Quote Originally Posted by Alea_iacta_est View Post
    I understand myself fairly well. But JCF and Socionics transcend my understanding of self and allow me to pin-point exact qualities that define me.
    That seems very reasonable. I think that is probably the best way to use the systems, for precision and betterment of your own independent understanding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Caw the rooks View Post
    Lol... perhaps you are both, if you can become both. Fire and ice entangled in a sweet embrace!
    oh so I'm water. Actually that makes sense I'm fluid get through crowds with ease and i'm not noticed when seeping through cracks. until i drip on someone's head
    In no likes experiment.

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    i dunno what else to say so

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    Quote Originally Posted by prplchknz View Post
    oh so I'm water. Actually that makes sense I'm fluid get through crowds with ease and i'm not noticed when seeping through cracks. until i drip on someone's head
    The great paradox is that you are not water, you are fire and ice, together. Do you feel invisible to others then?

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