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    I have no idea if this has been said already (didn't read the whole thread) but, I do agree that N's are overrated on the internet of things, but not necessarily in real life. For me, I have been seen as spacey, oblivious, and called "a dumb blonde." Not that these things aren't true (except for the blonde thing), just that I'm sure these things didn't help people take me seriously.

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    *shrug*

    It's all ego-bait anyhow.
    'Consciousness is not simply a sensory-perceptual affair, a matter of mental imagery, as the contents of our mind would have us believe. It is deeply enmeshed with the brain mechanisms that automatically promote action readiness' - Jaak Panksepp

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    Quote Originally Posted by PeaceBaby View Post
    This is so true it hurts! For example, right now, I think I can paint the deck surface, see my Mom at the hospital for 2 hours, go to the garden centre, purchase and plant some perennials and finish the garden mulch. By 5pm. And even though I am sitting typing this right this second. I often joke it's a good thing I'm an optimist or I wouldn't get anything done!
    LOL! What's sad in my case is that I tend to yell at people for doing stuff like this when clearly it won't work out. Overlooking the fact that I live in a similar "optimism bubble" myself.

    Yep. I could tell you a story from as far back as yesterday on this ... at least when you're older, rejection is less likely, and I care way less than I used to about that.
    Yeah, I'm luckily not capable of caring anymore. That's the nice thing about growing up.

    Yes. On that note, off to get the deck stain ready.
    Off to study Japanese!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sanjuro View Post
    The first time I took the Myers-Briggs so many years ago, I tested as a Sensor because Intuitive questions seemed very la-dee-da, spacey, and impractical. Yuck, I'm not like THAT.

    Problem is, I actually am like that. And I'd agree, I'm kinda worthless. Like,

    - I chronically forget valuable items such as my umbrella, bag, and/or keys, multiple times every day.
    - I can't memorize worth shit.
    - I walk into random furniture and get all these random bruises without even knowing how it happened.
    - I forget I'm hungry, feverish, whatever.
    - I walk around so lost in fantasy that I'm oblivious to myself and others.
    - I habitually over-estimate my odds ("I can eat, shower, get everything ready and make it to the airport in just one hour!").
    - I habitually pop out with nonsense that no one else understands, and I spent the better part of my childhood being laughed at and rejected for being "different".
    - I become inflexibly sure things happened that didn't actually happen and get myself in trouble for acting on this.
    - I can't keep my room clean, and I spend most of my time being scattered and lazy.
    - I AM SO UNPRODUCTIVE that it burns.
    - I forget where I put my money and am at a loss on where that $500 went at the end of the month. I forget I even have bills to pay at times.

    Don't even get me started on the hypochondria.

    So what if I ace all my exams without putting in any effort? It's like I can't handle reality, which is just a little bit MORE important than exams. I don't think Sensors have these problems. I'm sure they have their own problems, but I test as a Sensor, and dammit, I think it's a great way to be. I get tired of the "Sensors are dumb" garbage, myself.
    Hrm... I aced all my exams too back then at high school and university, also without putting in much effort. I really wouldn't want to link this with N/S. It's probably more IQ-related or something. Anyway, I'm pretty sure I used a different method than you for aceing the exams, you being a Ne-dom and me being ST type.

    As for your list, nice honesty.

    I relate to a couple of items on it:

    What kind of stuff do you have issues with memorizing? I can't memorize text word by word for the life of me (well I can, if I put a lot of effort into it but MEH). I mainly remember the logical structure and the meaning of the text: this is not necessarily in some intuitive way, I just rephrase the sentences without doing big picture by any kind of crazy out-of-the box thinking;

    I'm also lazy until the deadline is up... and currently unproductive too :/ :P Yeah disorganized apartment too. :P

    My suggestion for fixing the problem with forgetting items, develop a habit of putting things in the same place every time. With the umbrella and bags when traveling, always have them on your arm or have them in contact with your body in other some way when you're sitting down.

    I'd have suggestions for the other issues too but I realize that most of them stem from your N preference so you'd have to have a big attention shift to fix them...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hard View Post
    I also really don't like philosophical discussions. I just get so bored, and am like "ok, what is the practical application of this? What use is this? What is the point?". A lot of the time it gets wound up in defining things and the semantics of a word like "time" or whatever. Who the fuck cares. I don't. I don't care about that level of minutia and I want no part of it. It's annoying and way too much work. I get annoyed with the fact that stuff which is basically self evident gets questioned and I have to sit there and pick it apart. It's mentally a ton of work and I get zero enjoyment out of it. Do I exist? Pft. Ok, you can go talk about that. I'm not going down that semantic hell hole. Fun to think about, not to discuss most of the time. I'll enjoy philsophical discussions when they are more wholistic and there is more of an understanding/common ground.
    Interesting. My problem with that kind of philosophy is a bit different from yours; I think the concepts they are using are often wrong, not anchored properly to reality. That's how I shoot down most of the ideas. Oh and another way I shoot down the kind of philosophy that's more like mental masturbation is when I see things that people have thought about like a billion times before without actually getting anywhere. And yeah that's also because they are going the wrong way about it. Nothing special about that sort of speculation and when I see it for the umpteenth time I'm definitely very bored with it. Otoh, I don't mind self-evident stuff being questioned as long as it's done in a sensible way. I don't find any of it a "ton of work", well it can be mentally tiring a bit after a while but other than that, I actually work very well with abstraction, this is an ability I developed at the age of 18-20; but I just don't have the inclination to do it all day or whatever. I periodically get interested in stuff like that, sensible philosophizing, philosophy of sciences, interpretations of physics, biology and some computer science and mathematics stuff. Oh and the eternal favourite, certain areas of psychology. Note the bolded word? I guess it's the S preference :/ I get interested and then after a relatively short time - minutes or hours tops -, my attention's gone from these abstract areas. I find some Ni related stuff awesome but I just don't tend to spend all that much time on it...


    Ni is definitely in play with how I think, but I don't apply it to stereotypical Ni things.
    What do you apply it to?

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    Quote Originally Posted by applebite View Post
    The attitude that prevails is always the same, those with their will put forth.

    Sense types are defined by a characteristic suppression of intuition, while intuitive types are defined by a characteristic suppression of sensation.

    While sense types are guided merely by that which happens, intuitive types are the helmsman of humanity's advance.

    Only most recently has the prevailing attitude shifted towards the laws of science, to guide ourselves merely by what exists, regardless of individual will and its subsidiary, the intellect.
    Do you have a problem with science? Do you think science doesn't help the advance of humanity?

    I don't understand what you mean by the last few words; did you actually mention individual will and intellect as opposed with laws of science?

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    Quote Originally Posted by infinite View Post
    Hrm... I aced all my exams too back then at high school and university, also without putting in much effort. I really wouldn't want to link this with N/S. It's probably more IQ-related or something. Anyway, I'm pretty sure I used a different method than you for aceing the exams, you being a Ne-dom and me being ST type.
    All I know is that Ne+Ti is famous for doing this, and I exhibit this stereotype myself.

    What kind of stuff do you have issues with memorizing? I can't memorize text word by word for the life of me (well I can, if I put a lot of effort into it but MEH). I mainly remember the logical structure and the meaning of the text: this is not necessarily in some intuitive way, I just rephrase the sentences without doing big picture by any kind of crazy out-of-the box thinking;
    It's more like, I just can't be bothered. The details evade me. Like I'm learning a foreign language right now, and for the life of me I can't be bothered to memorize vocab since it seems like "boring details". So, I learn the overall structure of the language, and then am stuck asking for translations of words many times over. It's sad.

    I'm also lazy until the deadline is up... and currently unproductive too :/ :P Yeah disorganized apartment too. :P
    Pe-dom my friend. I'm the stereotype of the xNxP slob, I dunno if there's a Sensing equivalent.

    My suggestion for fixing the problem with forgetting items, develop a habit of putting things in the same place every time. With the umbrella and bags when traveling, always have them on your arm or have them in contact with your body in other some way when you're sitting down.
    The problem is "developing the habit". It's like I need my mom standing over me, telling me what to do. I just don't have that sort of awareness of my environment that would even draw it to mind while trying to form a habit.

    I'd have suggestions for the other issues too but I realize that most of them stem from your N preference so you'd have to have a big attention shift to fix them...
    Yeah, I've tried stuff. It's just always gonna be a weak area for me. I've accepted it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by infinite View Post
    Do you have a problem with science? Do you think science doesn't help the advance of humanity?

    I don't understand what you mean by the last few words; did you actually mention individual will and intellect as opposed with laws of science?
    No, I don't have a problem with science at all (opposite of a problem, really). Perhaps my post isn't the easiest to interpret...

    Yes, individual will and intellect greatly override the sensations provided by environment. On that front, Descartes was partially correct - "I think, therefore I am." Maybe closer to, "I think, therefore it is."

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    Most intuitives dont know much about their true power


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    Quote Originally Posted by yeghor View Post
    Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's...

    Intuitive type descriptions may have been sugarcoated or exaggerated, but so may sensor type descriptions be...
    @The Great One, could you please make a comparison of one intuitive type description and one sensor type description and put forward how one is exaggerated and the other isn't...or how one is mentioned as mundane/common/ordinary and the other as extraordinary?

    ex·traor·di·nary adjective : very unusual : very different from what is normal or ordinary... are intuitives extraordinary (eccentric) or not?
    It's mostly on the forums where intuitives are normally overly-glorified.

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