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    Quote Originally Posted by yeghor View Post
    People should learn to discern between good and bad type descriptions and stop reacting to certain types of people based on those descriptions, a good type description being one that moves away from mystification and towards rationalization.
    Part of the motivation of this thread, as you can see from the OP, is that all the sites and tests that TGO found were biased. You point out one good site, but if the first few sites that one is linked to are biased to the point of being off-putting, what will motivate them to continue learning about the system?

    So when people say, most sites are biased, and that's a problem that needs to be solved -- that's what's being referred to. Things would be different if newbies were directed to GOOD descriptions right off the bat. If those good descriptions were the very first ones to show up on Google searches.
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    Your mom's overrated. :P

    Out of touch with reality and unaware of what's going on around me? Story of my life.

    Well, only at the worst of times.

    Hey, some people get jobs doing philosophy! There are professors who got degrees in it and teach it and have a pretty good salary. If they can do it I can.

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    Quote Originally Posted by greenfairy View Post
    Your mom's overrated. :P
    SO'S YER FACE
    Quote Originally Posted by greenfairy View Post
    Out of touch with reality and unaware of what's going on around me? Story of my life.

    Well, only at the worst of times.

    Hey, some people get jobs doing philosophy! There are professors who got degrees in it and teach it and have a pretty good salary. If they can do it I can.
    It's interesting how this can vary, even within types. I know INFJs who have absolutely zero patience for philosophical discussion of any kind -- as if they only use their Ni for practical purposes. Then again I'm thinking of 1w2s here. Wondering if there's some sort of correlation here? 1w2 INFJs being more invested in getting things done in "the real world"?
    EJCC: "The Big Questions in my life right now: 1) What am I willing to live with? 2) What do I have to live with? 3) What can I change for the better?"
    Coriolis: "Is that the ESTJ Serenity Prayer?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by EJCC View Post
    This is incorrect and shows a misunderstanding of what Sensing really is.

    I admit to not having the most detailed understanding of Se, and would ask that those with better understanding be the ones to step forward here -- however I have a very good understanding of Si, and can safely say that Si has little to do with "what exists". It has to do with what you remember, what you know from past experience, what you have absorbed from any number of sources and consolidated to create your general worldview. I have said elsewhere on the forum and will say here as well that I am absolutely horrible at living "in the moment" -- 99% of the time, my mind has wandered to what I need to do, what will happen ten minutes from now, a day from now, years and years in advance -- or it has wandered back to things I have done, or witnessed, in the past. I'm about as bad with "sensing" as it relates to bodily needs as any average N on this forum.

    As for S/N and the "advancement of humanity" -- you need only look at type descriptions, even biased ones, to find Sensors who have strived for that same advancement. SJs, for example, are very frequently the ones who call the emperor out for having no clothes, or who strive against injustice in some other form. More proof that the stereotype of SJs always being "establishmentarian" is incorrect. They are for whatever moral code they have found that they believe is the most "right" -- whether it be their family's, the establishment's, or something else they've found.
    Well, as an ESTJ, you are not a "Sense type" as ascribed by Jung, but a rational, "Thinking type". Take Martin Luther King Jr, who Jung typed a "sensing feeler". He is not only a sense type, there are elements of rationality to his personality, and he made great strides for the advancement of humanity. So huzzah on that front.

    I was reluctant to follow through with that post, not for the fact that I question its veracity, I just don't know how well it can be interpreted without a fair sense of bias in terms of valuations.

    Bare in mind, I am a Buddhist. lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EJCC View Post
    Part of the motivation of this thread, as you can see from the OP, is that all the sites and tests that TGO found were biased. You point out one good site, but if the first few sites that one is linked to are biased to the point of being off-putting, what will motivate them to continue learning about the system?

    So when people say, most sites are biased, and that's a problem that needs to be solved -- that's what's being referred to. Things would be different if newbies were directed to GOOD descriptions right off the bat. If those good descriptions were the very first ones to show up on Google searches.
    Have you ever played an online MMORPG? There are multiple player classes in those games and there's always one or another class that comes across as overpowered to other classes so much that other classes lose enthusiasm about the game and start complaining and asking to the mods that the overpowered class be nerfed.

    Urban Dictionary: nerf

    The OP reminded me of those guys that ask from the admins that intuitives be nerfed. The thing is that we are not in an online MMORPG and intuitives and non-intuitives are not competing against each other and there's not anything to win and this is not a competition. So why ask for a nerf? Particularly, why not ask for sources as to accurate descriptions of types rather than complaining about types?

    Of course there were troubled people in those MMORPGs that played those overpowered classes and taunted those they defeated with phrases like "pwned noob, sucker" etc. so I can understand the things that may have transpired between non-intuitives and intuitives including mistyped ones and the resultant resentment.

    There are also players in those games who start taunting the now-nerfed classes so as to settle scores, get back at the other and vent-out previous resentments. It's a vicious cycle.

    So I am against both versions of negative attitude.

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    Oh my CGPA at graduation was about 2.90/4.00 by the way. So I am pretty mediocre when it comes to T stuff for instance. I think intuition is more about noticing patterns, possibilities and imagination.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yeghor View Post
    Oh my CGPA at graduation was slightly below 2.90/4.00 by the way. So I am pretty mediocre when it comes to T stuff for instance. I think intuition is more about noticing patterns, possibilities and imagination.
    Yeah it is. I've only started to develop the T stuff later on, from adolescence on (tertiary function for INFJs : Ti, tends to develop later, as you probably know).

    On topic:
    I'm convinced certain people have developed all the functions better than some others. And that some people are very weak regarding most if not all functions. It's all very individual. Not everyone is a stereotypical version of their type, eventhough those do exist plentiful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EJCC View Post
    SO'S YER FACE

    It's interesting how this can vary, even within types. I know INFJs who have absolutely zero patience for philosophical discussion of any kind -- as if they only use their Ni for practical purposes. Then again I'm thinking of 1w2s here. Wondering if there's some sort of correlation here? 1w2 INFJs being more invested in getting things done in "the real world"?
    Yeah I dunno, maybe. I'd say more personal E-types might be less into it as well, preferring art and emotional expression.

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    sometimes I think, humanity is over rated. But perhaps that's good. Because if we didn't think highly of ourselves we would've never existed as the first humans would've died out and not reproduced. I wonder how different the world would look? would another species have taken over?
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    Let's find the building where the MBTI sacred documents are housed, and parade around in front of it with signs demanding equal appreciation for sensors. We'll find all the books that contain vaguely derogatory descriptions of sensors, and have the books revised and reprinted.

    I swear I feel like this is the type of thing that would be necessary - the MBTI test is set in stone, and it still has the same exact wording that it had decades and decades ago when it was first created. You just can't get them to change a single sacred word on the test, even though I and others have complained that the wording on the test is confusing and misleading and makes sensors sound stupid, so we choose the intuitive answers instead and everyone gets labeled 'INTP.'

    It would take a big 'information campaign' with the goal of changing people's perceptions of sensors.

    Except I also agree with the people who say intuitives are unappreciated in real life. I wish I knew the answer to that eternal question, 'What job can I do?' If I were really going to make an information campaign about anything, I'd teach people in real life to appreciate intuitives when they find them, and, I dunno, pay them to just walk around chitchatting with the other employees who are working, and befriend them and have interesting conversations with them, because just being there entertaining people makes the workplace a better environment.

    I work with two INFPs at my fast food job (along with many other people), and they fit in just fine and have no problem being realistic enough to do the job, but I strongly suspect it's because this particular workplace is primarily a Beta quadra workplace with lots of ISTJs who get along with them. The ENFP who worked there briefly - everyone hated him, and he quit/got fired after being there only a couple days. But I think it would have gone differently if he had worked at my *other* job where there are lots of Deltas - ESTJs and ISTPs.

    Socionic quadras make a huge difference in how well people fit in in the workplace, and they make it much easier, or much harder, for sensors or intuitives to appreciate each other. I get along great with the two INFPs most of the time, until they are under extreme stress, if we're really busy or if something bad is happening, like if we're about to get an inspection - then suddenly the conflicts start happening, and the conflicts are always over the same issues, which never get resolved... When that happens, it's a moment when neither of us is appreciating the other.

    I totally felt like sensors were described as inferior (I'm agreeing with the OP), until I read the descriptions in socionics. I know I say that all the time, but it never hurts to say it again. If you really want to understand how to appreciate particular types, regardless of which types they are, the best way to do it is to group them together with people in their own quadra.

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