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    Default Fe doms: what's your opinion of typical Fe cognitive function descriptions?

    Fe doms: what do and do you not agree with about Extraverted Feeling cognitive function descriptions?

    I think it would be beneficial to get a dialogue about this going with actual Fe doms. The only Fe types who usually participate in these things are either INFJs or NTPs*- and people complaining about Fe. And sometimes this forum seems about as helpful in understanding Fe as searching “Thanks Obama” memes would be in researching Obama (it’s not completely useless information, to find out what it looks like to people biased in the opposite direction- but when the bulk of information comes a negatively biased source, the end product will necessarily be convoluted).

    Here’s the original Jung description for starters (from here):



    So what say you? What’s your personal experience- maybe a bullet point list of resonates and what doesn’t? There’s (obviously) a great deal left to be desired with the Jung, but also in other descriptions you may have in text at home or seen elsewhere (link if it’s online)- what parts do you feel accurately describe you and which parts don’t?

    Or just in general- are there things consistently said about Fe (in this forum or elsewhere) that aren’t a part of your own experience? If nothing else, maybe this thread could be used to vent about those comments.



    *I think that we make lackluster ombudsmen. I know at least I probably do- as Fe aux, and e5 at that, I really can’t see any semblance of myself in typical Fe descriptions. So I’m really curious where Fe dominants stand on this.
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    Misogynistic tones aside, I actually don't really like Jung's description of Fe. It hits on point for some aspects, but overall it makes it out to seem like Fe are complete slaves to their values and when they are tiffed they don't settle down easily or think clearly. I have to admit I do see myself in some of this, but it's difficult. I have a really hard time reading Jung's work. His writing style just irritates the living shit out of me; it's not easy to follow at all, so there is a slight bias there. It's sort of the same issue that Fi gets, where it's made out to be illogical, when in fact it's not.

    My biggest issue with Fe descriptions (and ENFJ/ESFJ profiles in general) is they are made out to sound like expert party hosts, love all parties, need people all the time, are supreme social circle masters, and people who live to serve above all else. No. I mean, I was socially daft for year and years, and in some ways I still am. Fe does not equal socially adept. It's nothing more than stereotypes. In fact, most of the Fe doms that I know don't care for the sorts of stuff written out. I sure don't. Yeah, I care about people and their well being in a broad sense, but it's more for the sake of congruency. Unrest or instability in social contexts causes problems, it's not efficient, fair, and just makes a mess of things. So, my Fe drives me to prevent that sort of stuff from happening. Why? Because it's what I see as right, and best fit for the world. I didn't just decide that I want it to be this way, I see it as effective around me. Fe acutally makes individuals out to seem like their personal feelings and values are a big deal and formost with them. Nope, not at all. In fact, that sort of stuff is often consider last for most Fe doms. The only time personal feelings crop up, is when they align with external factors (incidental) and that is upset in some way.

    Fe and Te are rather similar in one respect; they want things to be efficient. The difference between the two is how that is approached, and what is thought of as efficient. Te prefers objectivity, and Fe will seek that as well, but readily includes subjectivity. To me at least, subjective material is definitely workable and worth considering. Why? It's simply more information, and subjective information can indeed be organized and set in a way that it can be worked with in a psuedo-objective manner. The ultimate goal is to create order to the external world. It's the individuals personality (external to MBTI) that determines what that order is. Yes some Fe doms will want to approach it in the way that Jung describes in his examples. Others, not so much.

    The way I could explain how my Fe works, is that it's a gigantic framework of how stuff should be. It's all been determined over the years by talking to others, observing the world, etc. I didn't decide what the framework will be for the most part. It's based off what makes sense, what is fair, and what works. Everything I encounter is fit to that. If it doesn't fit, it's considered how it could be made to fit, or why it doesn't in the first place. My Fe is extremely vocal, and I readily express my thoughts and opinions on things. If it's meerly a personal prefrence, then I make it known as such and I won't expect others to follow or understand it (though I may attempt to get them to do so under certain circumstances). However, if there is something that has been determined to be right or wrong, then my Fe will discuss how it should be, and explain in detail why. It ultimately considers things external to myself way more important.

    If you have any questions feel free to ask. This is a super broad discussion and it's hard to discuss and capture it all without some sort of narrowed direction with how Fe manifests.


    EDIT: Oh, and Fe doms are often made out to be incapable of doing science, math, or enginnering, and that they are all super religious. Ahem, I'm an atheist, and I'm a scientist thankyouverymuch, and my PhD adviser is an ENFJ as well. So suck on that stereotypes.
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    Is Fe-doms' self worth predominantly dependent on the feedback they get from others?

    Even I as a Fe-aux have a hard time brushing off external negative feedback...

    How is it for Fe-doms? Does negative feedback trigger a response to win over others' appreciation and positive feedback and/or sonehow orchestrate others/collectives into somehow providing positive feedback about personal image?

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    Quote Originally Posted by yeghor View Post
    Is Fe-doms' self worth predominantly dependent on the feedback they get from others?

    Even I as a Fe-aux have a hard time brushing off external negative feedback...

    How is it for Fe-doms? Does negative feedback trigger a response to win over others' appreciation and positive feedback and/or sonehow orchestrate others/collectives into somehow providing positive feedback about personal image?

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    My self worth is dependent on others. If the vast majority were to think something shitty of me, then I take it serioulsy and it can be very hurtful. If the majority think sosmething very positive, then I take it seriously. Though with positive things I am hesitent because I question if I am giving a valid impression and not a facade (but that's another matter); it has to match how I feel of myself too. Single individuals I can write off, as sometimes it's nothing more than an anomoly or persona issuel on their end. It's more a group-opinion that has a strong effect.

    It's not just people though. Nearly ALL of my self worth is externally derived. Not just people, but scores, stanards, etc. It's very hard (if not impossible) to create self-worth out of thin air.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hard View Post
    My self worth is dependent on others. If the vast majority were to think something shitty of me, then I take it serioulsy and it can be very hurtful. If the majority think sosmething very positive, then I take it seriously. Though with positive things I am hesitent because I question if I am giving a valid impression and not a facade (but that's another matter); it has to match how I feel of myself too. Single individuals I can write off, as sometimes it's nothing more than an anomoly or persona issuel on their end. It's more a group-opinion that has a strong effect.

    It's not just people though. Nearly ALL of my self worth is externally derived. Not just people, but scores, stanards, etc. It's very hard (if not impossible) to create self-worth out of thin air.
    How to generate internal self worth?

    IxxP excel in that...

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    Quote Originally Posted by yeghor View Post
    How to generate internal self worth?

    IxxP excel in that...

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    Oh I know. It's why I have a very hard time with most IxxP types (moreso with N).

    I also don't want to create internal self worth. I'll do it when I have to, but I don't like it. I feel like a fish flopping around on the deck when I don't have refrence points.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hard View Post
    Oh I know. It's why I have a very hard time with most IxxP types (moreso with N).

    I also don't want to create internal self worth. I'll do it when I have to, but I don't like it. I feel like a fish flopping around on the deck when I don't have refrence points.
    Embrace and nurture your INFP shadow...? Become a more rounded NF...?

    What are favorite INFP hobbies? Try doing them taking baby steps... Actually I should start doing that too...wish it was easy

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    Quote Originally Posted by yeghor View Post
    Embrace and nurture your INFP shadow...? Become a more rounded NF...?

    What are favorite INFP hobbies? Try doing them taking baby steps... Actually I should start doing that too...wish it was easy
    Nah, I'd rather work to be more like an ESTJ. Flip the letter, not the direction.

    And what's an "INFP hobbie?"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hard View Post
    Nah, I'd rather work to be more like an ESTJ. Flip the letter, not the direction.

    And what's an "INFP hobbie?"
    I meant "what do INFPs enjoy doing...basically" ...try doing that to become a more centric NF..., thereby decreasing the affect of Fe on your self-worth...

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    Quote Originally Posted by yeghor View Post
    I meant "what do INFPs enjoy doing...basically" ...try doing that to become a more centric NF..., thereby decreasing the affect of Fe on your self-worth...
    Yeah I get that, but I don't think there is a "typical thing that INFP's enjoy doing". I don't see MBTI as an external manifestation of behaviors, it's not consistent enough to view it as that. I mean, if you were to consider the kinds of things I enjoy doing, I'd look very much like the stereotypes of a xxTJ.

    It's also not to say that Fe's effect on myself worth is a huge problem. It isn't really. When it does come up as a problem, I try and work on it, and I have made progress with it over the years.
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