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    So, yeah, reading through the birth order and type thread, a recurring thought of mine was triggered, yet again.

    I am and have always been an extreme N-ish person, big into theories, abstractions, and meta-everything.

    Compared to my two older sisters, well, actually, compared to most people, my N seems to set me apart, my N seems to engender within me and reflected, or should I say, rejected by others, the fact that I am in fact, well, "different" than "them", ("them" being most people, and "different" from them by what they think about as well as what they enjoy thinking about).

    I can't type other people for shit.

    And I tend to think most people are S types, and by most, I mean damn near everybody.

    I think I inherited my N-ishness from my father, who was a text-book hardcore intellectual, though his Rainman fact-retaining/regurgitating tendencies often seemed to be quite S-ish, he was a man who lacked and loathed any real life experience and preferred, rather, to live and seek out facts, ideas and a catalogue of information/data.

    Blah, rant.

    So the question is, the more your "N" happens to be, do you find the less you fit in???

    I do.

    Thoughts?

    Please share!!!

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    It always seemed to work that way for my N-type friends during grade school, and college to a certain extent.
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    I have low- to moderately-expressed S, and I never really fit in growing up. I floated between groups, but was a major individual. Of course, I am a very expressed E, so I never had a problem meeting and interacting with people; I just was quite unusual in my attitudes and behavior. I would venture to guess that the vast majority of people would have be in the low-to-moderate S range, too.
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    It depends on the person's total personality, as well as social factors (upbringing, social skills, positive environment), as well as the society itself and its specific values, as to how disorienting the N is to the other people and how well someone can integrate.

    I don't think N itself (whether Ne or Ni) is really the issue, and often S people admire N stuff from afar. When N causes trouble or friction or a disconnect is when S people get frustrated with it.
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    This is the sort of thing that causes most of us to seak out personality theory. Back in elementary school I felt so much like an alien I gave up fitting in and played one. I wonder if my grade 3 teacher got worried about me...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    It depends on the person's total personality, as well as social factors (upbringing, social skills, positive environment), as well as the society itself and its specific values, as to how disorienting the N is to the other people and how well someone can integrate.
    Good point.

    The high school I happened to have gone to was, get this, predominantly composed/comprised of N-types.

    :sad:

    Those were the good ol' days.

    Where discourse and debate were highly present, and engaged in and upon a daily basis.

    I don't think N itself (whether Ne or Ni) is really the issue, and often S people admire N stuff from afar. When N causes trouble or friction or a disconnect is when S people get frustrated with it.
    Lol, S-type people think I am a bit zany, brainy or, "out there" but *they* are not the ones who are getting frustrated in this situation, *I* am.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainChick View Post
    ...Lol, S-type people think I am a bit zany, brainy or, "out there" but *they* are not the ones who are getting frustrated in this situation, *I* am.
    What, the inability for people to follow the N thought pattern or see what you're getting at when you say something... or having to justify any intuitive leap you could make?
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    I suspect the sheer majority of Ss causes Ns to repress their Nness.

    You being aware of it; being very outgoing; free thinking; and independent, will have you showing it off and make you stand out.
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    Well, the S-dominated world seems to generally look down upon my unconventional look at the world.

    I can remember even as far as back as elementary school, where I frequently engaged in fantasy play on my own and didn't understand or even care about the games the other children played. Hence, I was frequently a victim of bullying.

    My S was always very underdeveloped, and so I was always physically uncoordinated. I never liked gym class and I had very poor motor skills. I wasn't good at playing team sports that required me to keep an eye on what's going on directly around me.

    Back then, I was, of course, believed to have ADD not because I was impulsive and couldn't sit still (I was never a physical type), but because I couldn't concentrate on the here-and-now.

    I think because of my imaginative nature during childhood, I was perceived as a bit strange, maybe even crazy, and that, in turn, deepened my isolation from others. Most of my attempts to fit in were either unsuccessful or just uninteresting, because I didn't share the interests of other people my age.

    I also liked pushing buttons and seeing how other people would react. It was always my nature to play those "What would happen if" games. Coupled with my misanthropy, this manifested in a desire to shock my peers and make them feel uneasy.

    I tried fitting in with others by showing off the things that interested me. Unfortunately, others were more often than not bored with all the kinds of roller coasters, movie special effects, and my fanciful ideas. I also tried fitting in by sharing dirty jokes with others that I looked up on the Internet, but I am absolutely terrible at telling dirty jokes.

    I was mostly perceived as stupid by others and I was uninterested in the things most people did for fun (partying, sports, going to the movies, etc.) so I was pretty much always a loner. (Where most people liked going to the movies to be entertained, I went to the movies to be creatively inspired and to analyze them.)

    I think N types can feel more isolated because they are the kinds of people more motivated to change things and shake things up while the S types are more oriented to enjoyment of the here-and-now. I mean, let's face it, people bent on changing things are generally frowned upon.

    But I think, as a side effect, this leads N types to potentially be more isolated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    What, the inability for people to follow the N thought pattern or see what you're getting at when you say something... or having to justify any intuitive leap you could make?
    Lol, yes, totally, but that's when I get lucky enough to be with people who at the very least are down to wax-politic.

    Most of the time, I am around or surrounded by people who prefer to discuss things that are, blah, boring and entirely uninteresting to me.

    I am very quiet and reflective when with S-types, believe it or not.

    And when with them, my E just wants to scream and let my stifled N out.

    Ho-hum.
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