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    Why in the hell does this thread's title keep changing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uberfuhrer View Post
    Why in the hell does this thread's title keep changing?
    O RLLY?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainChick View Post

    I can't type other people for shit.

    And I tend to think most people are S types, and by most, I mean damn near everybody.

    So the question is, the more your "N" happens to be, do you find the less you fit in???

    I do.

    Thoughts?

    Please share!!!

    I do, too.

    My theisis about this is that something of an experience call is required to judge a person you just got to know or have known for some weeks, to say what type he or she is. But even if you have she or he known for a lifetime they still can surprise you.

    If you start with such things as MBTI and categorize people, I think it is the best if you hold your categorizes around one floating point of imagination. You have to think about, what you want. Do you want to be prepared, whenever you meet someone new, to pinpoint him down into one drawer of your cabinet. Or do you still have the courage to say in only those special times that you are completly unaware of what is going on but you are living that magic carpet ride, you are just experiencing. That means, do you desire to be in control, to be not controlled (who does not?) or can you be free of any commitments (who is that naive?).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Angry Ayrab View Post
    Personally, I see N type people as the cause of most of the trouble on earth. If you look at all the social revolutions and almost any one that came up with a crazy ass new approach to living life that people believed in and died for, it was probaly an N type person..
    I agree that N-types are the most prone to being revolutionaries, but the revolutions that they back/instigate, however, vary greatly. There will be your "MLK" ones and there will also be your "Hitlers", so to speak.

    Quote Originally Posted by ThatsWhatHeSaid View Post
    Around my intuitive friends, I fit in well. Around others, not so much, but a well-adjusted person can fit in with either crowd.
    Can *fit* in with any crowd, are you sure about that?

    A well adjusted person will *deal* with whomever they're surrounded by the best way they can, though they will not necessarily "fit" in with them.

    Quote Originally Posted by BlueWing View Post
    Yes, it is the Intuitives who have caused most harm in the world. However, they have also caused the most 'good' in the world. This is the case because major changes stem from great ideas. Non-Intuitives merely have carried out the task of implementing the ideas.
    I agree with this.

    Quote Originally Posted by substitute View Post
    I think it's important to interject here that 'exceptional' doesn't always have the same connotations it does in academia, as in 'exceptional performance', meaning 'much better than anything else'.

    An exception is something that's different, that stands out for whatever reason. Not necessarily because of being better.

    To me, it's a fact that N's do stand out as different. I don't think Chick is claiming that we're better. But being in a statistical minority does make something exceptional.
    YES!!!

    Exceptional from the norm, from the masses, from *most* people.

    Not necessarily better nor worse, just plain different.

    Quote Originally Posted by whatever View Post
    I would think that an N with the ability to link things and such would find it easier to adapt to an S society than vice versa... I can go along with the conversations of my S friends completely easily, but they don't have as much patience when I do something like argue that God is merely an idea which is inherently needed by human society to keep people balanced in a manner in which they can interact the best, or some other idea of that sort...

    Ns may complain that it's horrible to try and fit in with Ss, but try to think about it flipped and see what you come up with It's easier to adapt to the society that you grew up in (SJ in my case) than it would be for them to adapt to a society that was the opposite or something (for instance an NTP society)

    just a thought there... I think that Ns would have it easier- especially ENxPs- with the whole adapting game. I mean, you pull out the stops and let your full random glory shine and people will stare at you oddly, but if you throw a laugh in with it they'll usually laugh along and cut you some slack, deciding that you're joking and they just didn't get it... Adapting isn't that hard though- slightly stifling, but isn't that what polite society is about anyways?
    But *I* am living in, what is essentially *their* world.

    I don't impose shit on them, or anybody else, and even if I did, or wanted to, they would fail to *understand* what the hell I was even talking about.

    I could play their game if I wanted to, I could care and talk about what they care and talk about, but, alas I don't want to, so I don't.

    And being silenced for an E is quite painful.

    Quote Originally Posted by whatever View Post
    yeah, but I've always thought that society was a boring place where EVERYONE has to adapt to be able to fit in to the perfect 50s style mold that's placed out there...

    I'll admit that my SJ friends have a lot less trouble, but the SPs I know aren't all that fond of having to use the right napkin and avoid making sex jokes in public either

    then again, I perhaps went too far and now find adapting to different situations to be a second nature by now
    I'm not talking about having to adapt, nor am I talking about having to adopt and partake in social niceties, (which I actually don't ).

    I am talking about being essentially different than/from the pack.

    I am talking about not being excited nor intrigued by the same, or even similar things.

    I am talking about feeling shocked, saddened, alienated by this inherent and apparent difference.

    Quote Originally Posted by substitute View Post
    It would just be nice to have some people around who you can be yourself with, to a greater extent. Rather than people around whom you have to lose your sense of self, to get on with. !
    Yes!

    Quote Originally Posted by substitute View Post
    Check out that other thread I linked to a few posts ago - you'll see there a lot of N's talking about how it feels to be an N, and relating to each other very well. I've never come across a Sensor who understands or has experienced feeling that way. I think that's what Chick's complaint rests on really... the sense of isolation that comes from the 'otherness' that I nevertheless don't think she (or I) would want to give up.
    Yes.

    Quote Originally Posted by Randomnity View Post
    In my experience, I/E has more to do with fitting in than N/S does (I realize you're a strong E, CC, I'm just offering my impression).

    I didn't fit in with any group in school. I just wanted to be around normal people (read: like me) but I guess I never found them since I didn't connect non-superficially with anyone at all until university. Even now I have a hard time making friends because I don't have much in common with most people I meet.

    My ENTP and ENTJ friends, on the other hand, have very active social lives and professional lives, and don't appear to have any difficulties fitting in. So in my experience the theory doesn't hold up, although I can see how it would in theory.

    Another MBTI thing that might have more to do with fitting in: having "sex-opposite " T/F...
    Great points, I agree that T females, and F males might also feel a greater sense of isolation.

    But I want to take this moment to explain something that I may have sloppily forgotten to earlier.

    I am not talking about, wanting to find people who are just like me, in that they like what I like and are interested in exactly what I am.

    I can get along with any person and feel *connected* to them if they discuss the meaning behind whatever they happen to be interested in, and the way(s) and implications of how what they study/care about affect and are tied in to the larger scheme/frame of things.

    Quote Originally Posted by substitute View Post
    Randomnity, being an extravert means I am strongly oriented towards a need for direct interaction with the external world. It does not mean I was born automatically more sociable or better able to get along with people or be normal.

    But having this strong need would mean I'd make more of an effort to LEARN to socialize, than an introvert, who can get by easier without the level and amount of direct external interaction that I need.

    It doesn't mean I learn to be normal. It doesn't mean I don't feel awkward, or shy, or isolated; in fact it's a thing many introverts fail to realize, how feeling isolated and alone whilst being simultaneously the centre of attention is quite possible and happens all the time.

    It does mean that, for some people, particularly perhaps EN's, in order to fulfill the driving psychological need to extravert, which needs people to extravert with or to, one has to adapt oneself in order to do this successfully. This means that sometimes, depending on just how 'exceptional' (in the sense of weird) I am in comparison to the people I'm with, I have to 'present' as something that's increasingly unlike me, therefore losing myself and coming to dislike myself. hence the hollow, loss-of-self and identity issues I mentioned earlier.

    Being an EN can entail a lot of hard balancing work between needing to be true to yourself, whilst interacting intensely with a world that doesn't tolerate your real self.

    edit - oh, and plus, I was RUTHLESSLY bullied ALL the way through school, despite being a strong extravert. And I might argue that the isolation this brought on me was a hundred times more painful than it would've been for an introvert. And that pain was something I had to get over in my adult life, in order to have the confidence to do what I do now. IOW, it's not all plain sailing. It's just as hard, but the difference being the extravert has the need, therefore makes the effort to do it, and keeps trying, while the introvert simply accepts the isolation and enjoys their alone time. To a greater extent, though not entirely, of course.
    Yes.

    Being an extroverted N sucks because I have a need to interact and connect with people and the people who live in this world, for the most part, I can't seem to connect to/with.

    That's why I spend all this time "talking" to/with you guys!!!

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    Well, I did have a moment of grace in junior high when I was the fear of the fighting hill and I couldn't keep the girls off of me. Then this one asshole showed up thinking he was the shit; I beat him down and all the guys stopped talking to me. In my frustration I pushed all the girls away and hid inside myself again for all of senior high...
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueWing View Post
    ...our simple, animalistic (non-N) ways...
    You want to explain that, Mr Superior INTP?

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    I don't know... there's something sexy about animalistic.. (especially if they have a brain as well! )

    And I suppose my general absence of Fi is a benefit after reading your answer there CC... I think that with the right extroverted functions it's easier for an N to fit in and not care as much... though it still sucks (not saying that there are right or wrong functions of course, just right ones for certain purposes! )
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    Quote Originally Posted by whatever View Post
    I don't know... there's something sexy about animalistic.. (especially if they have a brain as well! )
    Hell fuckin' yeah!!!

    I never said there was anything wrong with indulging in strictly sensate pleasures, hot sweaty monkey sex certainly being one.

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    CC, please* make a habit of starting interesting threads such as this.

    *That's an order

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    Quote Originally Posted by sassafrassquatch View Post
    You want to explain that, Mr Superior INTP?
    sass, I have mad love for you and a few other ISTP's on this site as well.

    And when I say I have mad love for you, I mean that I feel a camaraderie with you guys, i.e. I can and do relate with you.

    So, some S-type people I really do jive with, most however, I don't.
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