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    yeah in general chick, I agree. it's why when you get a question like "which is the most crazy-seeming type", the ENxP's are usually the favourite, cos although other types can be just as wacky as us, I think we put more of our wackiness on display than the Ni primaries or whatever else.

    But I relate to what you just said about being quiet around S's, and feeling stifled/gagged etc.
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    I'm going to agree with Jennifer here and say that it depends a whole lot on the person's entire personality instead of just the N/S dichotomy here. I've always fit in fine wherever I went because of the ability to talk about any subject, even those that I don't know all that much about and had to draw from other knowlege to chat. I've always been regarded as a bit strange by people, but they generally like me (except those who take an immediate hatred of me, but those are fortunatly few and far between }

    My friends growing up were a mix of N and S, and I always got along with all of them fine, barring spats with the ESFJ, but I'd blame the EJ behavior more for that one than the Sishness.

    Of course, I'm an Enneagram 7w8 so/sp, so that may have something to do with all of this as well
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    What, the inability for people to follow the N thought pattern or see what you're getting at when you say something... or having to justify any intuitive leap you could make?
    Yes, the having to justify it painstakingly, that's extremely tiring. And also something I can't always do - something many N's can't always do, resulting in you just looking like a schmuck when you know damned well you had a great idea/the truth/whatever.

    It's a bit like being that Cassandra character in many ways...

    But I have no trouble with ISTP's for some reason.
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    And people wonder why I'm such a private person. I seem secretive, but really I don't disclose my thoughts to anyone who can't understand them, or won't accept them.

    If you are able to grasp my thoughts, ideas, and can accept my eccentric personality then, you'd believe me to be an extravert.

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    Quote Originally Posted by substitute View Post
    Yes, the having to justify it painstakingly, that's extremely tiring. And also something I can't always do - something many N's can't always do, resulting in you just looking like a schmuck when you know damned well you had a great idea/the truth/whatever.
    I guess for a long time I just avoided it by creating my own little pocket universe. (The joys of being an introvert.) But it robs the world of our imagination if we always retreat; I usually would feel out a situation to see if it was worth bringing intangibles into it.

    But I have no trouble with ISTP's for some reason.
    really? Depending on how cynical they are, they can piss me off. It's like we ALMOST connect (same hard logic)... but then they get stuck in the mud and refuse to budge...! (And then I'll feel like they think I'm being silly or stupid for focusing so much on the possibilities and not the typical realities.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by substitute View Post
    It's a bit like being that Cassandra character in many ways...
    Wow, totally, totally, totally!!!

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    Most of the time when I am carefree with my group (mostly severe S types, because I can't find any of you damn N's), I find that I have a nack to somehow make the subject more interesting to me. For example, I know jack-shit about football (american) yet, I know a little bit here and there and a couple of player names, to be able to change the topic from talking about some dipshits stats, to how the game actually works, or strategies of certain formations etc...

    I used to be very into fantasy video games like final fantasy, knights of the old republic, Resident Evil mainly for the story (actually Halo was only to kick everyones ass, I am anally competitive). So I can find topics to talk about in this realm too, even though the conversations aren't that stimulating, I can always find a way to shift it to analyzing how the game was setup or the hardware differences and advantages of different systems, or how to hack different systems etc...

    In cars, I could care less if you have this piece of shit on it or that piece of crap under the hood and what not, but I find a way to involve myself by having them explain how different upgrades work to influence the cars performance, as opposed to just how pimp the dudes new rims are. Most people enjoy showing off the knoweledge they acquire, and I don't mind learning.

    Mind you, this is only when I am in a healthy energetic (normal me) mood. When I am kinda having a bad day, I can have zero to no tolerance for conversations about what the Eff lebron james did, or who the mavericks beat etc... I won't even try, and I will try to sway the topic really off spectrum by talking some major philosophical ideas or politics and everyone kinda doesn't respond or such, and look at me as if I they just saw a ghost.

    I didn't know (actually I understand it now) that S personality helps you in body coordination, like uber mentioned. I have a really weak S and I guess the only time where I am in total S mode is when I am playing soccer. The second I am out on the field, and I have the ball, everything really does go into hyper focus and I can see just about everyone around me and I know what people are going to do befoer they do it and I am just in the zone. If that is what is like to be an extreme S that is a cool feeling, if not than what the hell did I just describe?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    really? Depending on how cynical they are, they can piss me off. It's like we ALMOST connect (same hard logic)... but then they get stuck in the mud and refuse to budge...! (And then I'll feel like they think I'm being silly or stupid for focusing so much on the possibilities and not the typical realities.)
    Well I'm pretty damned cynical too. My best bud, an ISTP, can be a bit 'stuck in the here-and-now mud' at times, but once we got to know each other and I came to respect and rely on his observation and practical mindedness, he also now says to other people if they comment on my wackiness (and I heard him say this the other day when I was in a different room) "Sometimes you know, it doesn't hurt to hear him out, and if you do that and get your head round what he's on about he usually has a good point."

    He's also said that my ability to see around the present obstacle to solutions has got him out of many a black hole of "oh it's all useless" type depression. He's called me "the nil desperandum guy".
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    Quote Originally Posted by colmena View Post
    I suspect the sheer majority of Ss causes Ns to repress their Nness.

    You being aware of it; being very outgoing; free thinking; and independent, will have you showing it off and make you stand out.
    I completely related to this. I am not sure if Ni (my primary) is completely to blame for my eccentricness or not. I know that both my N and my eccentric tendancies were heavily repressed.

    I wasn't able to repress them completely, but I toned them down quite a bit. I realize now that it caused me quite a bit of stress to partial repress who I was. I am in the process of trying to be more myself, but always it seems like a balancing act. I still tone it down a bit, but less heavy handed and more selectively. At home and with a select group of friends - and at science fiction or game conventions - I am pretty close to my true self. At work I tone it down a bit.

    One annoying factor about being introverted and high N, is that people always act like your unusual taste in clothing (or other unusual things) are done just to get attention. "Why else would you be wearing it?" Umm....no, I didn't really want the attention.

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