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    Default Se and Si?

    Wasn't sure where to put this thread....

    I know there is 'Se' but is there such a thing as Si? How would they be different (looking for an example).

    The whole smaller-case 'e' and 'i' stuff behind F and S still escapes me. Guess I haven't made it that far in understanding MBTI yet...

    Help?

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    "Extraverted Sensing occurs when we become aware of what is in the physical world in rich detail. We may be drawn to act on what we experience to get an immediate result. We notice relevant facts and occurrences in a sea of data and experiences, learning all the facts we can about the immediate context or area of focus and what goes on in that context. An active seeking of more and more input to get the whole picture may occur until all sources of input have been exhausted or something else captures our attention. Extraverted Sensing is operating when we freely follow exciting physical impulses or instincts as they come up and enjoy the thrill of action in the present moment. A oneness with the physical world and a total absorption may exist as we move, touch, and sense what is around us. The process involves instantly reading cues to see how far we can go in a situation and still get the impact we want or respond to the situation with presence."

    "Introverted Sensing often involves storing data and information, then comparing and contrasting the current situation with similar ones. The immediate experience or words are instantly linked with the prior experiences, and we register a similarity or a difference—for example, noticing that some food doesn’t taste the same or is saltier than it usually is. Introverted Sensing is also operating when we see someone who reminds us of someone else. Sometimes a feeling associated with the recalled image comes into our awareness along with the information itself. Then the image can be so strong, our body responds as if reliving the experience. The process also involves reviewing the past to draw on the lessons of history, hindsight, and experience. With introverted Sensing, there is often great attention to detail and getting a clear picture of goals and objectives and what is to happen. There can be a oneness with ageless customs that help sustain civilization and culture and protect what is known and long-lasting, even while what is reliable changes."

    Understanding the Eight Jungian Cognitive Processes / Eight Functions Attitudes

    "Se - extraverted Sensing
    Experiencing the immediate context; noticing changes and opportunities for action; being drawn to act on the physical world; accumulating experiences; scanning for visible reactions and relevant data; recognizing “what is”.

    Si - introverted Sensing
    Reviewing past experiences; “what is” evoking “what was”; seeking detailed information and links to what is known; recalling stored impressions; accumulating data; recognizing the way things have always been."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dana View Post
    "Se - extraverted Sensing
    Experiencing the immediate context; noticing changes and opportunities for action; being drawn to act on the physical world; accumulating experiences; scanning for visible reactions and relevant data; recognizing “what is”.

    Si - introverted Sensing
    Reviewing past experiences; “what is” evoking “what was”; seeking detailed information and links to what is known; recalling stored impressions; accumulating data; recognizing the way things have always been."
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    The more you know...

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    Thanks, Dana!
    That helped out a lot.

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    Default How to experience different function-attitudes

    This has probably been posted a million times already, but I haven't seen it recently. (From here)

    To experience Introverted Sensation:
    Pick a category of object and practice spotting it in a crowded room. Not something easy like a color, something you have to learn how to identify. For example, learn how to recognize cotton and distinguish it from other fabrics, and then try to spot all the cotton garments in a room full of people (or in your closet, if you don't want to embarrass yourself). Alternatively, learn how to identify several species of tree that live in your area, and spend an hour or so walking around identifying each kind of tree that you come across. Other possibilities: models of cars, breeds of dog, categories of differential equation. In other words, through deliberate practice, become an accurate recognizer of specific types of object, so they "jump out at you" in the midst of other things.
    • While driving on a long trip (in the U.S.), note all the out-of-state license plates you see. Stay focused. Carefully check every car as it goes by. Notice everything you can about each state's plates: state mottos, colors, placement of text, pictures, any other special differences. For the full effect, write these things down in a log book.
    • Do a Where's Waldo? book. (Might be too difficult to really work as an exercise.)

    To experience Extraverted Sensation:
    • Walk around downtown in a city during the day, when lots of people are around (even a small town will do). Note what gets your attention, and what kind of attention it gets. Just walk around and let things grab your attention. Don't be deliberate. See what's exciting and what's boring. If a place looks exciting, go inside. The second you feel bored, leave and look around for something new. Don't think about this, don't reflect on it as you're doing it, and don't think ahead. Just go with your immediate gut reaction moment by moment--enter or exit the store before you have a chance to entertain a second thought.
    • Walk again, and this time note what's grabbing other people's attention. Where's the crowd?
    • (An exercise for brave people.) At a party or a bar or some other gathering of people, attract as much attention as you can to yourself. Anything that works is acceptable: feigning a heart attack, dressing better than everyone else there, dressing in a different color than everyone else there, putting a lampshade over your head--whatever works (it doesn't have to be dramatic, though, especially if you're just testing this out). Keep one eye on how much attention you're getting, and what kind of attention. As you try this at different gatherings, practice getting specific kinds of attention: intrigue, fear, disgust, sexual, laughing at you, laughing with you, etc. Cultivate some techniques for gaining specific positive kinds of attention. You will notice that you need to adjust your approach to fit your audience. As you practice, you'll develop a sense for what "plays" and what doesn't.
    Si>Ti>Te>Ne>Fe>Ni>Fi>Se

    Introverted (I) 60% Extroverted (E) 40%
    Sensing (S) 56.25% Intuitive (N) 43.75%
    Thinking (T) 61.29% Feeling (F) 38.71%
    Judging (J) 71.88% Perceiving (P) 28.13%

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    Procedural memory is a very, very Si thing(this is why there are a lot of jokes about ISTJs doing things like filing papers).
    How can one internalize and conceptualize a Sense experience? By remembering it. That's how.

    Your question is a pretty common one, and so is the question about Extraverted Intuition. It's because at a quick glance, Sensation seems like an inherently External thing and Intuition seems like an inherently internal thing, The two functions actually make a lot of sense, though.
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    introverted sensing unconsciously gravitates towards concrete data that relates to the internal standard, aka the person's current goals/unconscious tendencies.

    extroverted sensing approaches the entire observable environment at the same time. the slate clears every second..

    Si takes an extra step; it filters the data towards the users interests. therefore it's more concerned with depth than breadth.

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    It's like when you go to a movie and afterward you've forgotten most of the details but the film's "ambiance" and major events that seemed significant remain with you. That's Si.

    Se is more immediate and doesn't put sensory data in any context. It's like when you "lose yourself" doing a physical process -- e.x. dancing or something.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nemo View Post
    It's like when you go to a movie and afterward you've forgotten most of the details but the film's "ambiance" and major events that seemed significant remain with you. That's Si.

    Se is more immediate and doesn't put sensory data in any context. It's like when you "lose yourself" doing a physical process -- e.x. dancing or something.
    Si is also immediate. it's just goal oriented with its attention.

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