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    Quote Originally Posted by Werebudgie View Post
    I'd hate to be credited with whatever the you're doing with Ti. I think the credit and responsibility is all yours.

    Just tell me what's your true desire is...How do you entertain yourself of becoming? How do you act (in a sheepish way) around people you love\cherish...? Don't you say something like "I wish I'd become like X, Y, Z...then I'd have fulfilled my purpose in this world and die\pass away peacefully"...the ultimate achievement...

    What is it?

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    Just popping in but maybe this will help: http://www.cognitiveprocesses.com/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zarathustra View Post
    I'd be wary of any such blanket statement.

    Ni metaperspectivizes, and theorizing can certainly come from that.

    What does meta-perspective mean?

    It means to see the big picture, how everything is connected and what the whole thing means, without examining the details.
    Ahem...

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    Quote Originally Posted by yeghor View Post
    I suck at using intimidating body language, am non-impulsive, non-spontaneous, have (relatively) weaker physiology, can't deal with high loads of Se (have never been a roller coaster ride to date), non-promiscous, do not seek sensation all the time (as evident herein), suck at dancing...can't remember more atm...

    I am slow at recalling the precise words that I seek, relatively slower to make causal reasoning, walls of text suffocate me...what else Ti does?
    Well, you seem to be pretty conscious of a lot of stuff about yourself then.

    Perhaps as we become adults the 2nd, 3rd and 4th functions slowly move into the conscious part for ego's use and becomes accessible to the self...
    Yes, exactly.

    Think as well: are we really even consciously using the dominant earlier on in our lives?

    Frankly, I think we're largely unconscious beings.

    I think, as creatures, we might barely be starting to scratch the surface of consciousness.

    What about those last four functions?

    Dr. Beebe calls those functions "ego-dystonic." That means those functions do not come as easily or naturally to us, and we do not feel "normal" when we use them -- in fact, we feel like we're alien, not ourselves. When we access them, our ego says, "Who was that? That doesn't feel right. That's not like me!"

    As a result, we naturally tend to be more deft and graceful at using our first four functions than our last four functions.

    To take this understanding a step further, we may automatically dislike or reject persons who prefer to use our "ego-dystonic" functions. This results in the ever-popular "personality conflict," without anyone ever doing something provocative. (Sometimes I wonder why God "hard-wired" us for conflict this way, unless it's his master plan for forcing us all to move out of our comfort zones and learn adapting skills.)

    It's useful to note here that the definition of "Type opposite" comes up for grabs with this model. The tendency has been for us to suppose that the opposite of an INFJ is an ESTP because the codes have no letters in common. But the fact is that both codes contain identical preferences for the first four functions, albeit in opposite order. For an INFJ: Ni Fe Ti Se, and for an ESTP: Se Ti Fe Ni. See? Same codes, opposite orders. So it's common to see INFJs and ESTPs attracted to one another and getting along famously (many of them married!). According to Dr. John Beebe, it is most difficult for people of the same primary function but opposite attitude to get along, and the greatest personal conflicts arise between persons of opposite genders who have the same dominant function but paired with opposite attitudes. Again for an INFJ: Ni Fe Ti Se, and now for NFPs: Ne Fi Te Si -- no matches anywhere! Also with STJs: Si Te Fi Ne -- the same mismatching.
    There are actually three kinds of "opposites" in Jungian typology.

    Each of them basically relates to a set of two functions.

    1 5
    2 6

    3 7
    4 8

    Functions 1 and 2 can be considered "opposite" of 3 and 4, or 5 and 6, or 7 and 8, depending on your meaning of "opposite".

    You should really check out my blog. All this stuff is covered there.

    Or eric b's blog, where it's covered in far more excruciating detail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zarathustra View Post
    Well, you seem to be pretty conscious of a lot of stuff about yourself then.

    Yes, exactly.

    Think as well: are we really even consciously using the dominant earlier on in our lives?

    Frankly, I think we're largely unconscious beings.

    I think, as creatures, we might barely be starting to scratch the surface of consciousness.
    Why the anger now?

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    Quote Originally Posted by yeghor View Post
    That definition is ok.

    I think we've proposed better ones than that here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yeghor View Post
    Why the anger now?
    Anger?

    I have literally no idea what you're talking about...

    I didn't have even the slightest bit of anger in me when I wrote that...

    Eta: oh, the emoticon at the top? That was totally accidental. I'm typing from my phone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zarathustra View Post
    Anger?

    I have literally no idea what you're talking about...

    I didn't have even the slightest bit of anger in me when I wrote that...
    There was an angry face post emoticon on top of your post...It's gone now...???

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    Quote Originally Posted by yeghor View Post
    There was an angry face post emoticon on top of your post...It's gone now...???
    Yeah, sorry, totally accidental.

    Didn't realize it was even there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zarathustra View Post
    I'd be wary of any such blanket statement.

    Ni metaperspectivizes, and theorizing can certainly come from that.
    Yeah, you're right, that was overstated and I agree about the metaperspectivizing. It's just ... a particular flavor I'm finding hard to put into words.

    eta: it's like there's a fluidity and flow and resonating richness to Ni - at least in INFJs, but I think in most of the Ni-doms I've interacted with and certainly in myself as well - that gives a different flavor than the more rigid and kind of thin/harder feel of Ti. Or from another angle, the Ni metaperspective thing requires being in a state where it's possible to shift fluidly and easily between and among perspectives/angles of perspective and that's different from what I meant by "theorize" (eta2) which is more linear or imposed-upon or something like that.

    Argh. Still don't have the words.

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