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    When talking in Jungs terminology and theory, animas stands opposite to archetype of persona. Persona is the way in which we act out towards others and reply to demands of the external world, in behavioristic models(which jungian model is not) it could be called the "extraverted self". Anima naturally stands opposite to this because its the archetype of the feminine self that has been repressed and which is loaded with libido due to repression from the masculine self that needs to be maintained in order for self preservation in our society. Women with their animus is basically other way around as they are required to act feminine instead of masculine and repress aspects of the self that are associated to masculinity in society. Now there ofc are women who act out more "masculine" due to it being more acceptable in todays society, but they often have less masculine and more feminine animus instead. You can see this also in lesbian couples quite often where one has the male role and one is more feminine. The animas inspiring aspect can be most archetypally be seen in muse http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muse



    Personal shadow on the other hand stands opposite to ego. In the theory of analytical psychology ego has five functions;
    1) it maintains the stability of personality
    2) stability of identity
    3) cognition, it helps us to process information, to problem solve and to store memories
    4) it helps us with our executive functioning, like brushing our teeth etc in order to meet the everyday demands of the world
    5) it tells us what to expect from the world

    Personal shadow is the things that ego has repressed about the self, but have the capacity to be.

    For example if my ego is most comfortable(because most skilled function, so i identify with it) with me using thinking and am not comfortable or skilled at all using feeling, then what my feeling function tells is often not what my ego wants to hear, so i repress that F shit and focus on thinking. Now if i have differentiated and thus made some of this F shit relevant for what my ego wants my ego can process it consciously and make a conscious decision when to rely on thinking and when to rely on feeling. But feeling that is undeveloped, but still has a lot of libido trying to get out is where complexes and archetypal themes manifest in negative ways as my feeling function undifferentiated from the complexes and archetypes and thus make the most unconscious associations there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by yeghor View Post
    Can you see the inner child finally revealing himself after 2:20?

    http://youtu.be/JnqupBtPZNI

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    Even tho characters in movies or video games are invented by real people, they dont necessarily represent real people when it comes to their psychology.
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    Quote Originally Posted by INTP View Post
    When talking in Jungs terminology and theory, animas stands opposite to archetype of persona. Persona is the way in which we act out towards others and reply to demands of the external world, in behavioristic models(which jungian model is not) it could be called the "extraverted self". Anima naturally stands opposite to this because its the archetype of the feminine self that has been repressed and which is loaded with libido due to repression from the masculine self that needs to be maintained in order for self preservation in our society. Women with their animus is basically other way around as they are required to act feminine instead of masculine and repress aspects of the self that are associated to masculinity in society. Now there ofc are women who act out more "masculine" due to it being more acceptable in todays society, but they often have less masculine and more feminine animus instead. You can see this also in lesbian couples quite often where one has the male role and one is more feminine. The animas inspiring aspect can be most archetypally be seen in muse http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muse



    Personal shadow on the other hand stands opposite to ego. In the theory of analytical psychology ego has five functions;
    1) it maintains the stability of personality
    2) stability of identity
    3) cognition, it helps us to process information, to problem solve and to store memories
    4) it helps us with our executive functioning, like brushing our teeth etc in order to meet the everyday demands of the world
    5) it tells us what to expect from the world

    Personal shadow is the things that ego has repressed about the self, but have the capacity to be.

    For example if my ego is most comfortable(because most skilled function, so i identify with it) with me using thinking and am not comfortable or skilled at all using feeling, then what my feeling function tells is often not what my ego wants to hear, so i repress that F shit and focus on thinking. Now if i have differentiated and thus made some of this F shit relevant for what my ego wants my ego can process it consciously and make a conscious decision when to rely on thinking and when to rely on feeling. But feeling that is undeveloped, but still has a lot of libido trying to get out is where complexes and archetypal themes manifest in negative ways as my feeling function undifferentiated from the complexes and archetypes and thus make the most unconscious associations there.
    Agreed. The negative perception of my own sensory inferior attempts to force me to face reality instead of clinging to my introverted intuition, and I don't want to face the reality of the situation even though I know it is most likely correct in the back of my mind; therefore, I am actively running from my inferior and thus am expressing it negatively instead of positively developing it and encouraging it.

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    And a quote from my notebook about these distortions in behavior and how it relates to ego and complexes;

    "When we derive an complex from our unconscious, the ego takes a beating from the complex and suffers from reduced ability to operate appropriately(see functions of the ego in previous post). The complex steals the show for a moment and when the complex wears out, we might notice that we behaved in unusual ways and we learn from doing so.
    -> our normal personality behavior was replaced by behavior motivated by the complex, which is usually negative, but also sometimes needed for the situation."
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    Quote Originally Posted by INTP View Post
    When talking in Jungs terminology and theory, animas stands opposite to archetype of persona. Persona is the way in which we act out towards others and reply to demands of the external world, in behavioristic models(which jungian model is not) it could be called the "extraverted self". Anima naturally stands opposite to this because its the archetype of the feminine self that has been repressed and which is loaded with libido due to repression from the masculine self that needs to be maintained in order for self preservation in our society. Women with their animus is basically other way around as they are required to act feminine instead of masculine and repress aspects of the self that are associated to masculinity in society. Now there ofc are women who act out more "masculine" due to it being more acceptable in todays society, but they often have less masculine and more feminine animus instead. You can see this also in lesbian couples quite often where one has the male role and one is more feminine. The animas inspiring aspect can be most archetypally be seen in muse http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muse



    Personal shadow on the other hand stands opposite to ego. In the theory of analytical psychology ego has five functions;
    1) it maintains the stability of personality
    2) stability of identity
    3) cognition, it helps us to process information, to problem solve and to store memories
    4) it helps us with our executive functioning, like brushing our teeth etc in order to meet the everyday demands of the world
    5) it tells us what to expect from the world

    Personal shadow is the things that ego has repressed about the self, but have the capacity to be.

    For example if my ego is most comfortable(because most skilled function, so i identify with it) with me using thinking and am not comfortable or skilled at all using feeling, then what my feeling function tells is often not what my ego wants to hear, so i repress that F shit and focus on thinking. Now if i have differentiated and thus made some of this F shit relevant for what my ego wants my ego can process it consciously and make a conscious decision when to rely on thinking and when to rely on feeling. But feeling that is undeveloped, but still has a lot of libido trying to get out is where complexes and archetypal themes manifest in negative ways as my feeling function undifferentiated from the complexes and archetypes and thus make the most unconscious associations there.
    So what would all these imply if I told you that there's an ENFP trapped inside of me?

    And that it's gradually seeping into my conscious self?

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    Quote Originally Posted by yeghor View Post
    So what would all these imply if I told you that there's an ENFP trapped inside of me?

    And that it's gradually seeping into my conscious self?

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    This focuses on the inferior (assuming INFJ, Se, but more likely Te or Si). This has nothing to do with the actual shadow processes. Your shadow processes are most likely not indicative of an ENFP anyways.

    Also explains your irritation with Te.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alea_iacta_est View Post
    This focuses on the inferior (assuming INFJ, Se, but more likely Te or Si). This has nothing to do with the actual shadow processes. Your shadow processes are most likely not indicative of an ENFP anyways.

    Also explains your irritation with Te.
    So it came to full circle eh? xNFP?

    Doesn't explain why I am drawn to ESTP women though?



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    Quote Originally Posted by INTP View Post
    Even tho characters in movies or video games are invented by real people, they dont necessarily represent real people when it comes to their psychology.
    Use your imagination...

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    Quote Originally Posted by yeghor View Post
    So what would all these imply if I told you that there's an ENFP trapped inside of me?

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    Dunno, but the ENFP trapped inside me is one of my anima figures that has had a great influence in my self-development. There is something magical that i dont care to discuss about more now about ENFPs(and also can see magic in other types nowadays as well :P ) which triggered/s my inferior Fe. Its funny that my INTJ friends anima gets triggered by his Se the same way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by yeghor View Post
    And why does my shadow come out in a playful manner in the forum?

    I guess it feels safe/relaxed enough to come out of my INFJ shell...

    Is it the same for you or others?
    It has been noted a reasonable number of times that I can sometimes manifest an ENTP persona on here.

    I pointed you, in part, to my blog, because I talk there about manifesting either/both as an ENTP or/and as an ESFP at certain rare instances in life, as well as in certain rare dreams (each of these happens no more often than a 2-3 times per year [and haven't actually happened for a while, tbh]).

    In my belief, moving over to what's being called your anti-hero (5th and 6th functions -- so for you ENFP [if you are indeed an INFJ] and me ENTP) is actually easier than moving to your anima/animus, because at least they're still your same two top functions, just in a different attitude. Switching both function and attitude, according to this notion, would be more challenging, even though the 5th and 6th functions are the "non-regular" functions, while the 3rd and 4th are "regular" functions.

    You'll often see evidence of this in peoples' function test results, where the 5th and 6th functions register more highly than -- or roughly just as highly as -- the 3rd and 4th functions.

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