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    Quote Originally Posted by yeghor View Post
    What is "The Shadow" in MBTI terms?

    Who coined it that way even though it doesn't represent the shadow functions?

    Which one is closer to Jung's description of the shadow?



    Cause the inferior lies just next to the unconscious part of the "self"?

    It's awkward cause it's weak like a left hand or foot...?



    What you and I call as the shadow here is our mirror image...our (dark/bad/weak) side that we turned oyr backs on but yearn to make peace with and long to reconnect with..

    I can connect with it in my daydreams and fantasies...it feels blissful...

    So what nomenclature should you suggest that I use?

    And who in nine hells first introduced this conflicting nomenclature in the first place?

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    Quote Originally Posted by yeghor View Post
    What is "The Shadow" in MBTI terms?

    Who coined it that way even though it doesn't represent the shadow functions?

    Which one is closer to Jung's description of the shadow?



    Cause the inferior lies just next to the unconscious part of the "self"?

    It's awkward cause it's weak like a left hand or foot...?



    What you and I call as the shadow here is our mirror image...our (dark/bad/weak) side that we turned oyr backs on but yearn to make peace with and long to reconnect with..

    I can connect with it in my daydreams and fantasies...it feels blissful...

    So what nomenclature should you suggest that I use?

    And who in nine hells first introduced this conflicting nomenclature in the first place?

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    The nomenclature I use is from the Beebe model of the 8 cognitive processes, which varies in popularity/credibility depending on who you ask.

    The Hero - The Dominant Function (represents who we are as a person)
    The Parent - The Auxiliary Function (represents how we relay the work of our hero to others, explanation oriented, how we deal with others)
    The Child - The Tertiary Function (represents our relief function, how we find inner security, partly dabbles in creativity)
    The Anima/Animus - The Inferior Function (represents what we want out of life, manifests itself as the opposite gender of the Hero)

    The Anti-Hero (denoted in the Beebe model as the Opposing Personality Complex) - The Shadow Dominant Function (represents the "villainous" side of our dominant preference, actively tries to counter the Hero's move with doubts, also the opposite gender of the Hero and is referred to sometimes as the "Whore")

    The Witch/Senex - The Shadow Auxiliary Function (represents how we criticize others and ourselves, we see people who use this function sort of like bad parents, scolding us for clinging to the preferred orientation; projection)

    The Trickster - The Shadow Tertiary Function (represents the "evil" orientation of our child-like relief, attempts to "double-bind" us and ensnare us in its little games; we see people who use this function as the dominant as bad, possibly misguided, children attempting to trap us)

    The Daemon (sometimes referred to as the Demonic Personality Complex) - The Shadow Inferior Function (represents the most suppressed portion of the personality, only arises during times of extreme stress and completely attempts to destroy the Hero through extremely negative expression)

    While the shadow functions sound bad, as we progress in life, we learn that the shadow processes aren't always evil, and that they can be useful. The Anti-Hero, for instance, can alert the Hero to blind spots in reasoning or perception, the Senex/Witch can provide helpful criticism, the Trickster can be utilized humorously, a way to express our comedic side in a function we are lacking, and the Daemon can be the function that lead us to extreme self-awareness and self-objectivity. (This is another theory whose name I cannot recall, and I will attempt to find it and the positive names for the shadow functions expressed positively).

    I recall the positive names now:

    Hero, Parent, Child, Anima/Animus, Backup, Discovery, Comedic, Transformative
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alea_iacta_est View Post
    The nomenclature I use is from the Beebe model of the 8 cognitive processes, which varies in popularity/credibility depending on who you ask.

    The Hero - The Dominant Function (represents who we are as a person)
    The Parent - The Auxiliary Function (represents how we relay the work of our hero to others, explanation oriented, how we deal with others)
    The Child - The Tertiary Function (represents our relief function, how we find inner security, partly dabbles in creativity)
    The Anima/Animus - The Inferior Function (represents what we want out of life, manifests itself as the opposite gender of the Hero)

    The Anti-Hero (denoted in the Beebe model as the Opposing Personality Complex) - The Shadow Dominant Function (represents the "villainous" side of our dominant preference, actively tries to counter the Hero's move with doubts, also the opposite gender of the Hero and is referred to sometimes as the "Whore")

    The Witch/Senex - The Shadow Auxiliary Function (represents how we criticize others and ourselves, we see people who use this function sort of like bad parents, scolding us for clinging to the preferred orientation; projection)

    The Trickster - The Shadow Tertiary Function (represents the "evil" orientation of our child-like relief, attempts to "double-bind" us and ensnare us in its little games; we see people who use this function as the dominant as bad, possibly misguided, children attempting to trap us)

    The Daemon (sometimes referred to as the Demonic Personality Complex) - The Shadow Inferior Function (represents the most suppressed portion of the personality, only arises during times of extreme stress and completely attempts to destroy the Hero through extremely negative expression)

    While the shadow functions sound bad, as we progress in life, we learn that the shadow processes aren't always evil, and that they can be useful. The Anti-Hero, for instance, can alert the Hero to blind spots in reasoning or perception, the Senex/Witch can provide helpful criticism, the Trickster can be utilized humorously, a way to express our comedic side in a function we are lacking, and the Daemon can be the function that lead us to extreme self-awareness and self-objectivity. (This is another theory whose name I cannot recall, and I will attempt to find it and the positive names for the shadow functions expressed positively).

    I recall the positive names now:

    Hero, Parent, Child, Anima/Animus, Backup, Discovery, Comedic, Transformative
    So what did I do wrong to draw criticism? Is there another school of thought that disagrees with this interpretation?

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    Quote Originally Posted by yeghor View Post
    So what did I do wrong to draw criticism? Is there another school of thought that disagrees with this interpretation?

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    The "Shadow Type" you refer to in this thread is in fact the Antihero leading type (INFJ - ENFP dynamic).

    Shadow Processes - Represents the juxtaposing orientation of the function stack, i.e. Ni - Fe - Ti - Se and Ne - Fi - Te - Si

    "Shadow" - Represents the negative expression of the inferior and the inhibition of the dominant, i.e. Ni - Fe - Ti - Se and Se - Ti - Fe - Ni

    You assumed that the desires of each type are embedded in the shadow processes and the inverted type (with the temperament made constant), when the desires of each type are generally assumed to be embodied in the Anima/Animus, while the shadow processes (when expressed negatively) actively work against the Anima/Animus and therefore desires in favor of the Demonic Personality Complex.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alea_iacta_est View Post
    The nomenclature I use is from the Beebe model of the 8 cognitive processes, which varies in popularity/credibility depending on who you ask.
    I wasn't trying to blame you...just to be clear...

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    The Witch/Senex - The Shadow Auxiliary Function (represents how we criticize others and ourselves, we see people who use this function sort of like bad parents, scolding us for clinging to the preferred orientation; projection)
    When I get angry, lots of hurtful remarks and swears come to the tip of my mouth?

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    The Trickster - The Shadow Tertiary Function (represents the "evil" orientation of our child-like relief, attempts to "double-bind" us and ensnare us in its little games; we see people who use this function as the dominant as bad, possibly misguided, children attempting to trap us)
    Is this the source of my iritation with Te?

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    The Daemon (sometimes referred to as the Demonic Personality Complex) - The Shadow Inferior Function (represents the most suppressed portion of the personality, only arises during times of extreme stress and completely attempts to destroy the Hero through extremely negative expression)
    So if it remains active too long, it disintegrates the 1st function hence the self?

    And why does my shadow come out in a playful manner in the forum? I guess it feels safe/relaxed enough to come out of my INFJ shell...

    Is it the same for you or others?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alea_iacta_est View Post
    The "Shadow Type" you refer to in this thread is in fact the Antihero leading type (INFJ - ENFP dynamic).

    Shadow Processes - Represents the juxtaposing orientation of the function stack, i.e. Ni - Fe - Ti - Se and Ne - Fi - Te - Si

    "Shadow" - Represents the negative expression of the inferior and the inhibition of the dominant, i.e. Ni - Fe - Ti - Se and Se - Ti - Fe - Ni

    You assumed that the desires of each type are embedded in the shadow processes and the inverted type (with the temperament made constant), when the desires of each type are generally assumed to be embodied in the Anima/Animus, while the shadow processes (when expressed negatively) actively work against the Anima/Animus and therefore desires in favor of the Demonic Personality Complex.
    So what does the INTJ type desire?

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    This seemed to fit with what I proposed...?

    http://www.typologycentral.com/forum....php?p=2254883

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    Quote Originally Posted by yeghor View Post
    I wasn't trying to blame you...just to be clear...



    When I get angry, lots of hurtful remarks and swears come to the tip of my mouth?



    Is this the source of my iritation with Te?



    So if it remains active too long, it disintegrates the 1st function hence the self?

    And why does my shadow come out in a playful manner in the forum? I guess it feels safe/relaxed enough to come out of my INFJ shell...

    Is it the same for you or others?

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    Si Demonic Personality Complex has been postulated by the theorem to include an anathema to ones' own past, regarding specific details of the past as dark and even evil. The way to destroy us INxJs is to use our past against us, which in response we will utilize our Demonic function in an attempt "to break" others (blunt weapon) when in reality it would probably wouldn't harm the other person.

    For the Senex/Witch, I was too general in my explanation as "critiquing", it is closer along the lines of scolding and castigating, as if we are condescending others. When others use this function, they sort of seem condescending to us (subliminally, projection).

    For Te Trickster, it would explain your source of irritation, as if you are trapped by it and can't avoid it no matter what.

    The Shadow (Anima/Animus) never comes out playfully except when it is developed positively. The Shadow processes are similar, but are much less controllable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yeghor View Post
    So what does the INTJ type desire?

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    It is similar to the INFJ, due to the fact that the INxJ's anima is always Se. We (will eventually) desire to fully experience life in the moment and to participate in the world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alea_iacta_est View Post
    Si Demonic Personality Complex has been postulated by the theorem to include an anathema to ones' own past, regarding specific details of the past as dark and even evil. The way to destroy us INxJs is to use our past against us, which in response we will utilize our Demonic function in an attempt "to break" others (blunt weapon) when in reality it would probably wouldn't harm the other person.

    For the Senex/Witch, I was too general in my explanation as "critiquing", it is closer along the lines of scolding and castigating, as if we are condescending others. When others use this function, they sort of seem condescending to us (subliminally, projection).

    For Te Trickster, it would explain your source of irritation, as if you are trapped by it and can't avoid it no matter what.

    The Shadow (Anima/Animus) never comes out playfully except when it is developed positively. The Shadow processes are similar, but are much less controllable.
    Sorry by shadow, I meant my anti-hero?

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