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    Question MBTI criticism?

    Lately I have started to wonder if MBTI is taken too seriously by people (including me too). I mean, the theory is not even proven to be valid or reliable according to some criticism. So, people are defining themselves according to the theory, judging other people according to it and putting people to boxes. Before I saw no danger in the whole thing. I said to myself that I use the MBTI tool only to understand people but lately I have started to see some dangers related to the whole thing.

    Is there even anything behind in the traits, the functions and in the personality types? Is it any different that astrology?

    My answer to all of this: I don't know. That is why I'm asking.

    Your thoughts on the subject?

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    I think it's only taken too seriously if you can no longer see people as individuals, but only see them as types, like characters with letters over their heads and no identity outside of that.

    Otherwise, I think it's extremely useful, and has made me feel more comfortable communicating with some people. I'm not one of those people that needs a lot of "proven to be valid" by some eggheads somewhere, if I see a practical use for something, then that's all I need.
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    Meyers Briggs is a joke. No one anywhere should take it seriously. The questions are designed poorly and the 4 function model has time and again failed me. Its the type of theory where one counter exple thoroughly disproves it.

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    I think it's easier for people with unconventional function orders or who don't identify strongly with any type to criticize the validity.

    I never understood why being a type has to mean you have certain functions, if everyone has a type, because not all function orders are associated with a type (ex Ti-Ni, Fe-Se, etc) and I'm not convinced that there are no people in the world that don't have these 'unusual' combinations.

    I think most people take it 'too' seriously, myself included. But as long as I don't make any important decisions off it, I'm only guilty of being somewhat bigoted, I guess.

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    Eh, it helps me not get so angry at people all the time, so I guess it's useful.

    A lot of people sound like they take it too seriously but I just see it as conjecture. We're having fun, right? I've worked with a lot of made up stuff, and while I'm within the made-up stuff, I take it seriously, but all the other times it just is what it is -- just made up stuff that nobody can prove. Ever since I was little, I've loved my big, conceptual toys. MBTI is just an extension of that.

    Then again, I'm one of those people who knows how to palm read and yet does not put any stock in any of it.
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    Is MBTI the end-all be-all? No.

    Is there something to the idea that similar people would answer questions in a similar fashion? Almost certainly.


    I... suppose. Yeah!

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    Quote Originally Posted by alcea rosea View Post
    Lately I have started to wonder if MBTI is taken too seriously by people (including me too). I mean, the theory is not even proven to be valid or reliable according to some criticism. So, people are defining themselves according to the theory, judging other people according to it and putting people to boxes. Before I saw no danger in the whole thing. I said to myself that I use the MBTI tool only to understand people but lately I have started to see some dangers related to the whole thing.

    Is there even anything behind in the traits, the functions and in the personality types? Is it any different that astrology?

    My answer to all of this: I don't know. That is why I'm asking.

    Your thoughts on the subject?
    I think some of us have been making this argument for quite some time. I find it laughable when others attempt to validate MBTI, however scoff at the enneagram and astrology (not horoscopes which is a good indication of one's ignorance in thinking their the same).

    In the end many get caught up in type for whatever reasons to where it may start affecting their lives or preventing them from growing. I can't say any type is more prone to allowing this, but usually there are indications that someone is taking it seriously in threads that discuss development or the power they weild in virtual and role playing worlds (it seems more rampant at INTPC). However I think these people would be prone to latch on to virtual and role playing systems regardless. The system seems to do what is was invented to do, it's our own unhealthiness that causes the problems.

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    If I had to choose between MBTI functional orders and Socionics functional orders, I think that Socionics has the much more believable and broad model.

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    As long as you remember that this theory is not absolute, it can be a valuable tool for understanding types that are totally antithetical to you. Sometimes I could bang my head against the wall when I was around some STJs and STPs and think OH GOOD LORD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Now that I see where they *might* be coming from, I find it easier to empathize with them. In addition, knowing how these types learn make it easier to cater lessons to help them more, if I suspect they might be hands-on or concrete thinkers.

    However, no theory, no matter how entrenched it may be, proves to be absolute because it was made by man. Take a look at the geocentric theory - for hundreds of years, people were absolutely convinced without a DOUBT AT ALL that the sun revolved around the earth. If you said anything else, you were mad/insane, speaking against god and the church, and goodness knows what else. Today we know better - or we think we do.

    This idea goes for all theories - whether they are scientific, philosophical, or psychological. Theories are tools to help us in our development; once they prove to no longer be useful, we discard them or refine/reform our theory.

    Right now, the theory is proving to be useful. However, no one should dogmatically follow any theory, whether it is religious/spiritual, logical, scientific, or metaphysical.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nocapszy View Post
    Meyers Briggs is a joke. No one anywhere should take it seriously....
    That sounds just like something an ENTP would say.


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