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    Quote Originally Posted by PeaceBaby View Post
    I like your questions.

    Would it not be the same mechanism as why you feel as you do towards Te?
    Thanks....the point is for people besides me to comment on it as well...

    Quote Originally Posted by PeaceBaby View Post
    Te and Fe both to me sound like they talk "down" to people and both can at times feel instructive, critical, boasting, entitled, infantalizing, restricting, suffocating. I have more tolerance however for Te, as it typically judges information rather than people. These are two things I keep separated as well.
    This is unexpected...cause Te is INFPs' inferior function...Overt use of Te should be something that INFPs are most vulnerable to and most likely be irritated\offended with...

    I am vulnerable to overt use of Se communication for instance cause it's my inferior function...

    Edit: To clarify, I admire non-threatening, unharmful use of Se but abhor its use for negative\self-serving purposes such as bullying, intimidation etc...I guess it should be the same with Te for an Te-inferior person...

    Quote Originally Posted by PeaceBaby View Post
    Fe additionally can sound manipulative since it uses emotions to achieve goals, something I personally find distasteful.
    It's hard for me to imagine this, cause I do not do that or I am not aware of doing that...How does the manipulativeness thing manifest itself?

    Does the Fe user sound overdramatic like hysterical? Or Does he\she try to incite guilt trips or similar things in others?

    Quote Originally Posted by PeaceBaby View Post
    Yes it can.

    Not that anyone who's speaking it THINKS they sound like that. Both Je functions, esp in the dom and aux positions, sound like this on a daily basis.

    As a Fe-aux I can notice when someone is irritated with it...and I can withdraw to give them some leeway or choose not to insist on it if it's not that crucial...

    Te-aux may perhaps act the same way....Perhaps Ni gives some kind of awareness over the auxiliary function?

    I was more like wondering what Te-doms or Fe-doms feel\think when they bombard others with it? Do they feel\think they are in the right (or something else) for doing that?

    Why the shrug?
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    Quote Originally Posted by animenagai View Post
    I think a major point of miscommunication between Fe-Ti'ers and Fi-Te'ers is that the latter doesn't view the passive-aggressive, manipulative from of Fe as keeping the peace. I would much rather someone be upfront with things they don't like about me. Things aren't going to get better with this cloak-and-dagger type of socialising. The underlying problems are still there. If we're upfront about things, at least we have a chance of reaching an understanding.
    It may have something to do with conflict aversion perhaps?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alea_iacta_est View Post
    ...The purpose of Te in terms of socialization is to quickly and efficiently apply knowledge, to show the realistic application of knowledge ("what's the point if we know how the aerodynamics of a plane work if we don't have a plane or aren't building a plane? Let's apply this knowledge somehow"). Essentially, Te is logical directness based not on subjective opinion like what I am utilizing here, but on justifiable, objective evidence....
    Te used improperly sounds to me like another form of authoritarianism\fascism just like Fe...It still categorizes and organizes people using different criteria than Fe...In dominant position, both may become dictatorial...in that they may not allow people to object to the imposed classification and organisation...

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    Quote Originally Posted by SD45T-2 View Post
    How to differentiate between Te and Se?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hard View Post
    Well, he is right. When I seek to manipulate, this is exactly what I do. It's highly effective.
    How does Fe manipulation work exactly?

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    Quote Originally Posted by yeghor View Post
    It may have something to do with conflict aversion perhaps?
    I'm sure it is. We just don't believe that bending around the bush so much ultimately creates less conflict.
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    Quote Originally Posted by animenagai View Post
    I'm sure it is. We just don't believe that bending around the bush so much ultimately creates less conflict.
    Less conflict for whom?

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    Quote Originally Posted by yeghor View Post
    Te used improperly sounds to me like another form of authoritarianism\fascism just like Fe...It still categorizes and organizes people using different criteria than Fe...In dominant position, both may become dictatorial...in that they may not allow people to object to the imposed classification and organisation...
    Yep, it's our own interpretation of each others' trickster functions. We feel double-bound by them, as if they are something that ensnares us into what appears to us as a "childish" game, thereby making us see those who use our trickster functions in the dominant position as A. Evil (due to it being allied/tied to the function we find truly evil, the daemon), and/or B. Bad Children (Beebe Archetype Model, Trickster Function).

    I'm going to also steal your question to @SD45T-2 and say that the difference between Te and Se is that one is a rational function and the other is an irrational function. Se looks at only what is present and tangible, Te looks at observable facts (to base its decision making on, and these facts can be predictable hypotheses and their probability in the near future when powered by Ni, or specific lessons of the past to base decision making on when powered by Si). Se's job is to collect present outside information to be fed into a Ji function, which bases decision making off of reasoning abilities rather than external facts/data like a Je function would. An Se-Ji or Ji-Se mechanism works primarily to categorize current experiences into subjective frameworks built by the user's reasoning skills. Te-Pi mechanisms, in contrast, base their decisions on objective data that yields feasible results, but at the same time, contrast the observable data with past data (Pi, dichotomized into specific (Si) and general (Ni)) to build a feasible structure upon which to make logically (pertaining to externally objective rather than internal logical reasoning) correct and sound decisions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yeghor View Post
    How does Fe manipulation work exactly?
    Manipulating the social world around it and how people navigate it. Nearly everyone is bound by social rules (implicit and explicit ones) and rarely deviate from it. If one can tweak around what those things are through various means, you can get people do what you want/need.
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