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    Quote Originally Posted by yeghor View Post
    Why?
    I think it's fascinating to see someone whose internal thinking system (to use your words) requires that if you and I are different in ways that make you uncomfortable, then one of us must not be INFJ - and you need that person to be me because if it's not me you would have to question your own type. So to solve this possible internal dissonance, you've decided I'm ISTP (with a "strong Ni") in order to keep that system coherent for yourself (though you also tell yourself and others that you're doing it for the greater good of accurate information about Ni-doms/INFJs). It's an ... interesting use of the MBTI system as related to self and others.

    Now, to try to come back to the actual purpose of this thread: IMO when it comes to accurate data about Ni-doms, I'd say it's best for people interested in trying to understand Ni, especially as it shows up as a dominant function, to look at a bunch of different descriptions of what it's like from various Ni-doms and see where and how they converge and go from there. There's been some great discussion in this thread in that regard IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alea_iacta_est View Post
    Possession of thoughts and ideas is indicative of both Ji and Pi. Pi is more focused on ideas and patterns (yes, this includes Si)*, Ji is more focused on frameworks and idiosyncratically categorized information.
    My focus when it comes to "possession" starts with/centers around my lived experiences (including most particularly for this discussion, my experiences with what I call my Ni landscape, which is very real to me as lived experience) rather than thoughts and ideas. Does that still fit into the broader thing you're describing here?

    Anyway, I'm curious - would/how would the discussion between Z Buck and I relate to this, especially to the distinction/difference you see between Pi and Ji? For example, this:

    Quote Originally Posted by Z Buck McFate View Post
    And in short, (sorry but) I find it annoying to have someone point out that I’d made too many assumptions when their own observation about it- in itself- is actually based on too many of their own assumptions. It feels like it creates too much work for me communication-wise, and it’s actually a good example of the point I’ve been trying to make (about how there’s no one to ‘blame’). Sometimes, with some people, I can tell blanks are getting filled in with information in such a way that’s too difficult to keep track of and communication starts feeling like it’s more trouble than it’s worth. [I do think Ni- or at least NiFe- is especially sensitive in this way.]

    Quote Originally Posted by Werebudgie View Post
    I don't know if accommodate is correct for me. Maybe it is. Mostly what this looks like for me is that I choose not to try to communicate specific things or in specific ways or sometimes with specific people because I can feel the energy drain it would take to deal with their frameworks, agendas etc. A fair amount of the time, people who interpret what I say get it at least subtly wrong. They run it through their filters, their experiences, their reference points, their needs, their agendas etc etc, and feed it back to me in ways that have little to do with what I was trying to say. At that point, I have a choice: do I continue to engage, or do I not? If I continue to engage, how?
    Yeah, can totally relate to this. [And I actually found this paragraph after writing that response just above- though it's basically saying the same thing, I think.]

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    Quote Originally Posted by Werebudgie View Post
    I have considered and keep considering the other option (that my own typing might be off) as well...The difference is far too distinct for me to ignore, and my perception so far leans more towards the conclusions that I've addressed in my previous post...

    I think you imply that I am somehow cheating myself to feel better or seeking some kind of easy way out...It doesn't work that way for me...

    It's not myself that I've felt bad about...but the inconsistency of the data we've shared about the INFJ type...Something's felt off to me...Something doesn't add up...

    And my conclusion in my previous post was the best explanation (that satisfies the MBTI model I have in mind) I could come up with based on available data...

    I agree that the thread is still valuable in terms of understanding Ni...including your perception of the Ni function either way...

    It's just worth noting that I may stand apart from you as to how it works in relation to the other functions in the INFJ-type stack...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Werebudgie View Post
    ...I didn't like the rest of the quote [by Carl Jung] all that much because of how it discussed the people under scrutiny. Leads to all sorts of "shoulds" and quite frankly intellectual/values masturbation IMO (I wish I had a better word for it but there you go...
    For instance, the bolded part that you considered to be "trivial" may very well be what Ni-dom function is all about...a manifestation of the Ni-dom function...

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    Quote Originally Posted by yeghor View Post
    It's not myself that I've felt bad about...but the inconsistency of the data we've shared about the INFJ type...Something's felt off to me...Something doesn't add up...

    And my conclusion in my previous post was the best explanation (that satisfies the MBTI model I have in mind) I could come up with based on available data...
    The bolded is important to where you're coming from, IMO. Something crucial right there. Not consciously sure what, though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Werebudgie View Post
    My focus when it comes to "possession" starts with/centers around my lived experiences (including most particularly for this discussion, my experiences with what I call my Ni landscape, which is very real to me as lived experience) rather than thoughts and ideas. Does that still fit into the broader thing you're describing here?

    Anyway, I'm curious - would/how would the discussion between Z Buck and I relate to this, especially to the distinction/difference you see between Pi and Ji? For example, this:
    If you are an Ni-dominant, you should have an immediate attachment to every insight you receive, and in terms of past experience, this would include the meaning from past experience (if it is specification in the case of focus on imagery, then it is Si, Ni only deals with the meaning of events, not the events themselves). Interpretation in the case of your discussion with Z would be confined to intuition (including sensor types with tert. intuition).

    I usually see Ni play out in conversation with me attempting to discern the hidden meaning behind whoever's I'm talking to words. I often find myself in situations where I have known something that my conversational partner doesn't, and I find myself somehow figuring out that they know (or figured it out for themselves) what I have already unearthed. It is almost without thought, as if the words "(S)he knows" simply display in my mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yeghor View Post

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    I didn't like the rest of the quote all that much because of how it discussed the people under scrutiny. Leads to all sorts of "shoulds" and quite frankly intellectual/values masturbation IMO (I wish I had a better word for it but there you go.
    For instance, the bolded part that you considered to be "trivial" may very well be what Ni-dom function is all about...a manifestation of the Ni-dom function...
    So for you, as you understand it in the "MBTI model [you] have in mind," Ni is all about about things like shoulds and intellectual/values (processing, to use a more polite word)?

    Maybe you could describe what Ni actually is like for you as a real experience, how it works for you, and/or just generally add your actual experiences with Ni to the mix of discussion here (or if you have already done so, could you link to that or better yet, quote it now in a comment for this part of the discussion?)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alea_iacta_est View Post
    If you are an Ni-dominant, you should have an immediate attachment to every insight you receive
    Why is this the case? I've been trying to figure this attachment thing in me for a little while now. I do feel like when I say something about my experiences, it's often like the tip of the iceberg or something like that, underneath there are tremendous amounts of information from the ground up of all this vivid/rich/layered perceptual experience, and it seems to me that words can mean so many things in a context where framing and spinning and narrative is often culturally more important than perception.

    It might be worth noting that I often don't share in words with others the deepest Ni information/insights. I mean, when I read your description of your in-motion video Ni information, I asked myself would I be willing to share one of my Ni image-metaphor perceptual experiences in this discussion if it ever came up. I decided I didn't feel okay doing that in a context where the OP goal was to talk about Ni in ways that don't seem crazy and (presumably) are more understandable to those who don't have this as a dominant function.

    I usually see Ni play out in conversation with me attempting to discern the hidden meaning behind whoever's I'm talking to words. I often find myself in situations where I have known something that my conversational partner doesn't, and I find myself somehow figuring out that they know (or figured it out for themselves) what I have already unearthed. It is almost without thought, as if the words "(S)he knows" simply display in my mind.
    How is that without-thought "She knows" type experience similar to and/or different from your other forms of Ni insight like the more visual stuff? (I think I asked that question correctly, but maybe not entirely, hopefully it makes sense). I ask because I have this thing where I'll get a short phrase or even sometimes just one word, that will resonate and resonate down and I don't understand it consciously but it's like getting a gift or a tool and it has that centered feel for me ... and if I try to change the words at all or expand on it or whatever, I get that uncomfortable feeling we discussed in relation to changing visual details in the Ni images. But for me this generally doesn't happen in conversation, so it may not be related much or at all to what you're describing here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yeghor View Post
    On a skim, I see a lot of abstract theorizing about what you think Ni is as a concept, and not a whole lot of speaking from what the actual experience of being a Ni-dom is for you in particular. So it makes sense that you'd respond to my comment about intellectual/values masturbation as if I'm dismissing some core attribute of Ni.

    eta: it looks to me like when it comes to discussing Ni, you're more interested in abstractly defining a concept of Ni, I'm more interested in describing my perceptual experiences and reading/interacting with descriptions of perceptual experiences from others - specifically Ni-doms for the purpose of this thread - to see if there's any convergence of various actual experiences of Ni (rather than what you seem interested in, which as far as I can tell right now, is more about theoretical consistency of the concept of Ni as related to a thinking system that includes or focuses on cognitive processes).

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