As I experience dialogue with you it, you really
don't listen (attend to the actual information in context) very well. I'm basing this on your interactions with me specifically (to be clear on the data I'm using for the following comments):
Well thanks for analysis on my type. Really thanks for that, interesting. I will have a few comments on that below;
Now the other thing first, I'm grudgingly starting to develop the same impression of you, that you REALLY don't listen to what I'm talking about. Your previous post was full of rejecting what I said based on one specific interpretation, seemingly without you considering you had the wrong interpretation or impression, without considering alternatives, let alone elaborating on it to give a chance for understanding each other. When I explained what I meant, you didn't seem to want to consider any of that at all. I know in that post I mentioned something that may have sounded provocative about biases but surely you are able to deal with a mention of such a possibility and able to explain why you would disagree or if not wanting to explain, skip that part and not let it affect your entire response.
Why is it that I can converse with others in this thread and elsewhere just fine? Clearly something set you off in my original post in the other thread, I would love to know what the hell that was because the cause of it was definitely not the bullshit claims you make about my attitude about paying attention to information (as per your claim in this thread) and about what crappy templates I may be using for interpretation of your posts (as per your claims in the other thread) and whatnot.
Anyway of course it's not mandatory for you to reply to my thoughts, my problem isn't that, my problem is that you are not being honest about your actual problem. Instead you just attempt to fit me into a box or boxes. Yep, judging through filters all the way, just what you thought I was doing, that is, judging through a filter. I am not saying you're not Ni-dom because surely anyone can take on a judging attitude at times. Or maybe the Ni also has a filter in terms of how it cannot see everything at once, just from that one location - that you talked about -, at one time, which I'm sure may change over time, but at one time it's still just one thing and not everything
From that space: You appear to have a very very strong filter through which you run all incoming information, discarding and/or twisting and changing anything that doesn't fit with your existing biases in such a way that you can retain your biases in light of information (from my experiences, for example) that may challenge them. You've been doing this in dialogue with me about my lived experiences in various places and in multiple ways, and it's a large part of why I really don't like interacting with you in dialogue.
Again a guess about me that's wrong and so black and white. Yes I can use a filter but that's just one thing
Firstly, you've only seen me in one specific context twice. Now considering there may be some correlations, it's still comparatively little data. So why draw final
conclusions from that regarding completely different contexts and situations in terms of declaring "ALL incoming information". I'm not saying I never do that myself but here's a joke about this: A train goes through some countryland in Scotland and an engineer, a statistician, a physicist and a mathematician are sitting on it. They spot a black sheep turning one side towards the train. "Hey! Cows are black here!" cries out the statistician. "The usual inaccuracy!" growls the physicist. "We can only claim that the cows we've seen here are black!" The debate of course continues... "Christ, how careless you all are!" grieves the mathematician. "All in all, we can only state that as far as we've seen cows here, the side of them that was towards us was black, and black at this specific moment in time
." Finally, the engineer gives a resigned sigh: "Alright let's just drink."
OK so, more on this. I'm a curious person and always, truly always
willing to hear about more information. You have not ever bothered to give me much so what do you expect, do you expect me to find common grounds with you in a few lines that are just full of your rejection of things via one specific interpretation? No that wouldn't be fair to expect that. Here it is you who's discarded stuff in a static way, as a seemingly final judgment, not me. As for changing information, again, as I said, to get common ground, some conversing is possibly needed, this IMO is completely normal and I don't see why anyone should get butthurt over that. Also, when I declare things, I always do it with the readiness to receive a reply from the talking partner even if this response contains disagreement. I find that completely normal too. You also twisted my stuff just like you claim I twisted your stuff.
No, why you don't like interacting with me is due to something else. Because you just instantly got set off by something without checking anything first.
I notice that you say I rejected your lived experiences. Maybe that's it then, because I definitely did not intend to do that, you misunderstood my attitude. I was talking about Ni in general, if you have an experience of some sort, I will obviously not claim it wasn't experienced in the way you experienced it, that wouldn't make sense now, would it? It wouldn't, because I don't believe I can see into other people's minds, so whatever I say about things related, will only be guesses and I explicitly use the word "guess" as well. I also wouldn't reject an experience, because an experience is an experience, it happened and that's all. So what I was talking about was not your personal experiences in this sense but about exploring things and also interpretations of things. Do note that I do have a view on how Ni is a cognitive process without any mystical quality and I think you may have misunderstood that view of mine by interpreting it incorrectly in god knows what way.
I also recall that in the other thread you got set off after I asked why you see things the way you do. I stated my thoughts and asked about why you think otherwise. I don't for the life of me see why that caused you to box me into that attitude box of invalidating your stuff without any further considerations. If I hadn't asked about your views, I could understand your reaction but I did ask.
I think someone mentioned ENFJ as a possibility for you in another thread. That's maybe possible IMO. I've known one confirmed ENFJ in real life, a co-worker. We were in a work environment that included reporting information to our supervisor. A huge difference I saw between us was that from my perspective, she kept cherry-picking and subtly changing information to fit and support the narrative (the story
) she was trying to convey due to what she considered to be the best interest of the group. In contrast, I reported information more directly, including information that didn't fit one specific narrative and even information that could argue against
important changes I wanted to see in the environment. I found it truly unpleasant to see her place Ni in service to her Fe narrative.
Quite honestly, no one is truly free of cognitive biases and thus everyone will distort some information to fit their existing views, perception dominants included. Otoh even I've been seen adding information that would argue against my points. Yep. I don't think it's as black and white that judgers cannot look at information that goes against their ideas. A judger may still be open to new information and attempt to process and integrate it, willing to change their existing framework.
The thing is, to my eyes, she was much more obviously Fe than you are - she had a very obvious collective-values narrative, whereas your strong dominant filter presents (as far as I can tell) more as logic or faux-logic. Though I suppose it's possible that that could in itself be some sort of Fe narrative, depending on the context of your life ... I don't know.
Hm well I don't have a collective-values thingie that terribly much. Not in some very visible way, true. Well, guess in this specific case the Fe from me would be that it's good for people to discuss things openly. Now of that can pass as the main filter here, I honestly don't know. When I say "don't know", I mean it. In my previous post as well.
It's possible that other types might do something similar but from different foundations. But if I had to guess (and again, it seems that introvert isn't under consideration? but) I would guess ISTP for you: Ti-Se-Ni-Fe. Your experiences with Ni could fit well with Ni as tertiary (not very well developed, but present enough, and somehow important to your Ti system), your references to Se could be to your aux function in service to Ti, and the way you deal with incoming information from outside of yourself seems, as I said, really Ti-dom to me given some other Ti-doms I've come into contact with.
Could be, though the ISTPs in general don't seem to be like me, not that much. I don't mind the idea of ISTP otherwise.
eta: However, the Ti-doms I have known have seemed more ... sophisticated might be a good word? ... in how they twist external information to fit their existing internal system. There's a sort of sophisticated slipperiness in how they do it that I don't experience as much in how you do it. It's kind of like you use a blunter instrument to do the twisting. I don't know if this is relevant to the point of discarding Ti-dom as a possibility, or simply a Ti-dom variation I haven't encountered or something else entirely.
It takes time to be sophisticated about something and so in my case it takes a strong enough motivation to get that deep into very refined analysis of stuff. Someone else may need less of a motivation.
Well if that's what you meant by "blunter instrument" lol.
Btw it might be more the Se than the Ti that you don't like, I mean, it's your inferior function after all right? There would be some antagonism toward the default perspective of someone with Se having a higher place/value for them. Note I said "default" perspective, not "fixed" perspective!
You don't feel/present at all like a Fi-dom to me, and I've known quite a few. Though there are probably variations I'm not aware of
Cool we can agree on that one.