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    Quote Originally Posted by entpersonal View Post
    To be clear, INXJs are more outwardly organized typically because of having an extraverted judging function first. This is especially true for IXTJ because of aux-Te.
    Yeah, I always thought P/J described outward organizational behavior. That's why I think there are some general qualities that can come with the two letters.

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    Yeah, in Socionics they would be.
    I don't think being INTP in MBTI would necessarily make you LIE in Socionics though. I feel like the functions are too different to prove any sort of causation, but yeah I'm sure there's a lot of correlations between like being ENFJ and EIE.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chanaynay View Post
    Yeah, I always thought P/J described outward organizational behavior. That's why I think there are some general qualities that can come with the two letters.



    I don't think being INTP in MBTI would necessarily make you LIE in Socionics though. I feel like the functions are too different to prove any sort of causation, but yeah I'm sure there's a lot of correlations between like being ENFJ and EIE.
    You mean LII? The whole intercorrelation thing is another topic for another thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by entpersonal View Post
    You mean LII? The whole intercorrelation thing is another topic for another thread.
    Yeah I meant that. Damn me and calling everyone an extrovert.
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    This is why people are so adiment about making sure socionics and mbti are not seen as the same exact system.

    IP's in mbti are less structured externally.

    IJ's in mbti are more structured externally.

    People equate external lack of structure with sloppiness.........bottom line.

    So it's preconceived notions that prevent the two systems from correlating.
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    Yes, I am a close J/P. I am very much a planner and am an external organizer in contexts like work and shared spaces (though I tend to let my side of the bedroom go). And cognitively very NeFi.

    I'm with @Halla74 on the "sliding scale", and that organization and order may show up at different places in different individuals' lives.

    As far as I understand, J/P is about whether you try to control your external environment more (J) or whether you try to control your internal responses more (P).

    I think it's interesting that @entpersonal mentioned "intentionality", which I think is probably more telling than organization/order. Js tend to be FAR more intentional than Ps - it correlates to the above explanation, where Js tend to see their actions as influencing the environment, while Ps tend to see them as responding to the environment.

    The way I see it is perspective is a circle; Js look one direction and Ps look the other.

    I do think that there is a fairly good correlation between ExxJs and outward organization, but the rest seem to depend largely on the individual. It seems like the rest of the bunch tend to have certain things they're meticulous about and other things that go to the wayside. Js are perhaps more aware than Ps about the messages they're sending with their outward structure, though.

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    I often score right in the middle on the J/P dichotomy. I don't read too much into this. I chalk it up to the fact that people will be far more multifaceted than can be measured with a type indicator.

    Am I organized and schedule-oriented? Yes and no. There is no absolute or extreme. I like to organize my work and personal space, but maintaining that organization can be a bit of a challenge.
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    Quote Originally Posted by skylights View Post
    Js tend to see their actions as influencing the environment, while Ps tend to see them as responding to the environment.
    This is how I view it. My actions tend to be unplanned and spontaneous because they're more responses to what's happening around me. I'm usually uncomfortable (intentionally) influencing or controlling my environment in any manner. I guess if you had to put it in really simple terms it'd be J = directive and P = responsive.
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    Js also often prefer a directive communication style, as opposed to the informing style often preferred by Ps
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lyedecker View Post
    Js also often prefer a directive communication style, as opposed to the informing style often preferred by Ps
    That may be so. I believe the thing mediating that direct communication style would be the extraverted judging function, be it Te or Fe, and not the J per se.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chanaynay View Post
    This is how I view it. My actions tend to be unplanned and spontaneous because they're more responses to what's happening around me. I'm usually uncomfortable (intentionally) influencing or controlling my environment in any manner. I guess if you had to put it in really simple terms it'd be J = directive and P = responsive.
    That responsive and perceiving style has more to do with you being Ne-dom than P.

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