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    Quote Originally Posted by badger055 View Post
    Sounds like if you merge with your shadow you are going to alienate everyone in your life.
    I'm having difficulty deciding if my shadow is this unstoppable force, or a weak pathetic pussy bitch. I obviously don't want people to SEE that I'm a weak pathetic pussy bitch, but I'm well aware of it.

    I am NOT, however, aware of the pure evil that my dominant 2 functions are capable of, that everyone seems to be accusing me of.

    Actually, I'm starting to think a lot of my problems are due to the fact that I'm unaware of my own pure evil side. That I walk around acting like I'm not a bad guy, (cuz I'm not), and everyone is getting their pants in a jiffy over nothing.

    I need to be this pure evil, but with a secret heart of gold... is what I'm hearing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Azure Flame View Post
    I'm having difficulty deciding if my shadow is this unstoppable force, or a weak pathetic pussy bitch. I obviously don't want people to SEE that I'm a weak pathetic pussy bitch, but I'm well aware of it.

    I am NOT, however, aware of the pure evil that my dominant 2 functions are capable of, that everyone seems to be accusing me of.

    Actually, I'm starting to think a lot of my problems are due to the fact that I'm unaware of my own pure evil side. That I walk around acting like I'm not a bad guy, (cuz I'm not), and everyone is getting their pants in a jiffy over nothing.

    I need to be this pure evil, but with a secret heart of gold... is what I'm hearing.
    Look up the individuation process. If I remember right you are supposed to merge with your evil side first (shadow) and then once that stage is done you merge with your anima which is your girl side (feelings and crap). If the unstoppable force is driven by power or greed then it's probably evil too.

    Individuation means that one becomes a person, an individual, a totally integrated personality. It is a process of self realization during which one integrates those contents of the psyche that have the ability to become conscious. It is a search for totality.
    The individuation process begins with becoming conscious of the Persona, the mask we take on in our every day life. After this we become conscious of the Shadow, the repressed characteristics of the ego. Then we become conscious of the Anima, the inner woman in each man, or the Animus, the inner man in each woman. Then the image of the old wise man, or the old wise mother appears, after which the experience of the Self happens.

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    @badger055

    weird. I think that makes sense.

    I'm curious to know how my relationship with god fits into this. The unstoppable force is motivated by freedom and love for friends, but they don't seem to recognize that all the time. The only reason I want money, is so that I can build my empire of heaven. Convincing people of this has often been a difficult challenge, and many people in my family don't seem to get it except possibly my ESTJ father. I think people are often convinced of this when I spend 2 seconds to tame the fire and show them my heart for a split second, so to speak.

    I think being able to recognize the need to show the anima to others, is whats important. Up until now, showing the anima has always been something I felt like... I needed to learn how to do 24/7 without fear. But that's not the case at all. Instead of ignoring my enormous ego, I need to embrace it but show others my anima as a way to protect them from any issues they may face from my strengths.

    "jesus loves us for the evil sinners we are"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Azure Flame View Post
    when I think about this too hard I start to think I'm an INFJ, lol.
    You are you, not four letters.


    Quote Originally Posted by Azure Flame View Post
    Is it possible that people fear my shadow and don't want me to realize it because they know I will become obsessed with it?
    Most people don't even know what a "shadow" is in MBTI terms.


    Is it possible that INTJ hate me because my avatar and lifestyle represents something they repress within themselves?
    Maybe ask them?


    My INTJ brother talks to me like I'm unicron, destroyer of worlds. And its blows my mind. I think he spreads this fucking filth to the rest of my family, I have a lot of people in my family lecturing me and "reminding me" about morals on earth and the value of other humans, which to me is retarded because these are all things I already value, but perhaps they don't see it?
    "Filth" sounds a bit over the top.

    Why do you care about the lectures though? It's just stupid shit. Why not just simply go into "I don't care" mode when they start harping about moral ideals?


    Quote Originally Posted by Azure Flame View Post
    yeah i think my intj brother is having a tyler durden moment. I'm pretty fucking sure that's what is happening right now. I wonder what would happen if I said, "I am you."
    Not INFJ?

    Does he even know anything about MBTI?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Azure Flame View Post
    @badger055

    weird. I think that makes sense.

    I'm curious to know how my relationship with god fits into this. The unstoppable force is motivated by freedom and love for friends, but they don't seem to recognize that all the time. The only reason I want money, is so that I can build my empire of heaven. Convincing people of this has often been a difficult challenge, and many people in my family don't seem to get it except possibly my ESTJ father. I think people are often convinced of this when I spend 2 seconds to tame the fire and show them my heart for a split second, so to speak.

    I think being able to recognize the need to show the anima to others, is whats important. Up until now, showing the anima has always been something I felt like... I needed to learn how to do 24/7 without fear. But that's not the case at all. Instead of ignoring my enormous ego, I need to embrace it but show others my anima as a way to protect them from any issues they may face from my strengths.

    "jesus loves us for the evil sinners we are"
    I'm not hating and this might be kind of brutal but I think clinging to god is just a substitute for a weak sense of self and substitute for a strong sx connection and a manifestation of your inner infj. Saying things like "build an empire of heaven" sounds like I'm talking to an INFJ now it makes no sense except in a general spiritual way. If I had a strong sx connection with a girl I would want to do everything for her naturally. It works the same way with your connection with god. If you want to mature out of that then you learn to love yourself and make a strong sx connection with yourself and there are other places to get your spiritual fix. Then you can stand on your own.

    Being motivated by freedom is more of a 7 thing so I don't think that's entirely true. Probably something you tell yourself. Building an empire period sounds more like an 8. If that's the case then you should embrace it without feeling ashamed. I don't see what's wrong with doing things for yourself. In the end you can use your empire to help people if that's what you want.

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    Quote Originally Posted by badger055 View Post
    I'm not hating and this might be kind of brutal but I think clinging to god is just a substitute for a weak sense of self and substitute for a strong sx connection and a manifestation of your inner infj. Saying things like "build an empire of heaven" sounds like I'm talking to an INFJ now it makes no sense except in a general spiritual way. If I had a strong sx connection with a girl I would want to do everything for her naturally. It works the same way with your connection with god. If you want to mature out of that then you learn to love yourself and make a strong sx connection with yourself and there are other places to get your spiritual fix. Then you can stand on your own.

    Being motivated by freedom is more of a 7 thing so I don't think that's entirely true. Probably something you tell yourself. Building an empire period sounds more like an 8. If that's the case then you should embrace it without feeling ashamed. I don't see what's wrong with doing things for yourself. In the end you can use your empire to help people if that's what you want.
    My weak relationship with god IS my weak sense of self. And while that may sound like I think I am god, that's not true. A strong relationship with god requires a strong understanding of myself. I encounter trials and ask to understand and it ends up equating to self awareness.

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    You aren't necessarily supposed to act on your shadow. Just be aware of it. And if you do act, take responsibility for it instead of saying something like "I was unable to resist the temptation."

    Honesty is important to my sense of morality, yet I find myself saying things sometimes I do not actually believe in hopes of getting the reaction from others I want.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Azure Flame View Post
    My weak relationship with god IS my weak sense of self. And while that may sound like I think I am god, that's not true. A strong relationship with god requires a strong understanding of myself. I encounter trials and ask to understand and it ends up equating to self awareness.
    Ok well whatever works for you I have no idea what it's like to be you. I'm not the best person to talk about god with. My dad was a religious zealot infj who wasted my time with that stuff my whole life. The closest thing I have to a bible is fight club. I'm not afraid of being on my own and facing the unknown I live in the chaos. I live without fear or limits.

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    Quote Originally Posted by badger055 View Post
    Ok well whatever works for you I have no idea what it's like to be you. I'm not the best person to talk about god with. My dad was a religious zealot infj who wasted my time with that stuff my whole life. The closest thing I have to a bible is fight club. I'm not afraid of being on my own and facing the unknown I live in the chaos. I live without fear or limits.
    haha ok.

    Quote Originally Posted by msg_v2 View Post
    You aren't necessarily supposed to act on your shadow. Just be aware of it. And if you do act, take responsibility for it instead of saying something like "I was unable to resist the temptation."

    Honesty is important to my sense of morality, yet I find myself saying things sometimes I do not actually believe in hopes of getting the reaction from others I want.
    Yeah I gathered that. Keep being me, but know that my shadow is how some people may interpret me, and in understanding this I may be able to better solve the problem they are having with me.

    Hmm... I wonder if two types that are the same, are able to identify one anothers' shadows. Socionics says that identical relations help serve as a mirror to yourself. Or maybe that's super-ego relations? Could be why I get so furious with ENFPs. Simply being with them makes me neurotic because we see one anothers aspects that are a part of ourselves, but in being with the person we begin to realize we're not actually talking to them at all, and they communicate on another wavelength we are unaware of.

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    I'm surprised that nobody's expressed the opinion that it's good to try to take on a perspective that's not your own, shoot for balance, embrace and integrate all aspects of yourself, experience 'firsthand' what's 'you' and 'not you,' etc.

    That, or I missed it

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