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    Quote Originally Posted by skylights View Post
    It isn't "random" at all... it is simply defining connections between things which may not be concrete or tangible. Ne users will tend to term this activity "finding" or "discovering" because to us the connections seem inherent, though sometimes we have to work to unearth a particular connection given particular desired parameters. The creativity is in figuring out how two very "distant" things can be most closely/ elegantly/ logically/ quickly / etc. connected.
    Ne users are prone to like "strange" music. The question is, why do they like it? I'm not saying you're wrong, but I am truly wondering how you would answer that. From my explanation/perspective, they like strange music because it addresses the fullness of context. Si users like to hear music that they can associate with firm principles that have worked in the past and see anything bizarre as a plunge into dangerous, uncharted territory where anything, good or bad, could happen. Si types are more likely to appreciate, simply, what they were raised on or what is popular, or at least spoken for by some group of people with some acceptable reputation.

    Ne users feel trapped by the very same notion. It strikes them as bland and limited. With such broadness of what can define music, why not experiment and get wild? Why not test our boundaries and see what crazy emotions music can make us feel? Let's see what we can incorporate into music and still have it be music. In this way, Ne tests the boundaries of context. It's random for the sake of random, but ultimately there are connections if it is still music. So I maybe see what you are saying, but I don't think it is either/or.

    I was driving in the car listening to "Charmer" by Kings of Leon with some friends, none of whom were Ne dominant. They all hated it because, well, there is a screaming person in it. The first time I heard that song, however, I thought it was thrilling. Something delightfully weird yet something that still WORKS as music, and quite well. I saw the forest for the trees. My friends saw the "tree" of a person screaming weirdly in the song and wrote off the forest. That's Ne vs. other perception functions to me.



    Btw I'm not saying an Si type (for example) can't like this song, but they are probably going to take a lot longer to. I had an ISFJ roommate who was famously slow to like anything that was just catching on, and then become obsessed with it once it had become popular and accepted for a while.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zago View Post
    Ne users are prone to like "strange" music. The question is, why do they like it? I'm not saying you're wrong, but I am truly wondering how you would answer that. From my explanation/perspective, they like strange music because it addresses the fullness of context. Si users like to hear music that they can associate with firm principles that have worked in the past and see anything bizarre as a plunge into dangerous, uncharted territory where anything, good or bad, could happen. Si types are more likely to appreciate, simply, what they were raised on or what is popular, or at least spoken for by some group of people with some acceptable reputation.

    Ne users feel trapped by the very same notion. It strikes them as bland and limited. With such broadness of what can define music, why not experiment and get wild? Why not test our boundaries and see what crazy emotions music can make us feel? Let's see what we can incorporate into music and still have it be music. In this way, Ne tests the boundaries of context. It's random for the sake of random, but ultimately there are connections if it is still music. So I maybe see what you are saying, but I don't think it is either/or.

    I was driving in the car listening to "Charmer" by Kings of Leon with some friends, none of whom were Ne dominant. They all hated it because, well, there is a screaming person in it. The first time I heard that song, however, I thought it was thrilling. Something delightfully weird yet something that still WORKS as music, and quite well. I saw the forest for the trees. My friends saw the "tree" of a person screaming weirdly in the song and wrote off the forest. That's Ne vs. other perception functions to me.



    Btw I'm not saying an Si type (for example) can't like this song, but they are probably going to take a lot longer to. I had an ISFJ roommate who was famously slow to like anything that was just catching on, and then become obsessed with it once it had become popular and accepted for a while.
    Well for someone who call a mainstream pop band a strange music your explanation was not so bad...

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    Quote Originally Posted by SophiaDeep View Post
    Well for someone who call a mainstream pop band a strange music your explanation was not so bad...
    That song and incident was before they were popular. Plus you might hear some KOL songs on the radio, but never that one. People would be like ...wtf is going on?

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    Can't stand Ne logic. I pretty much think they are half retarded most of the time and stop talking to them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zago View Post
    That song and incident was before they were popular. Plus you might hear some KOL songs on the radio, but never that one. People would be like ...wtf is going on?
    Well this song is not bad... I know a few of their songs before they were popular and they sound pretty good. But anyway I know a lot of SPs who like metal, or rock music. Anyway strange music means something different for everyone. For you old KOL is strange, for me it's still just a a pop band for general population.

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    Quote Originally Posted by badger055 View Post
    Can't stand Ne logic. I pretty much think they are half retarded most of the time and stop talking to them.
    What is Ne logic and why can't you stand it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SophiaDeep View Post
    Well this song is not bad... I know a few of their songs before they were popular and they sound pretty good. But anyway I know a lot of SPs who like metal, or rock music. Anyway strange music means something different for everyone. For you old KOL is strange, for me it's still just a a pop band for general population.
    For me something like Throbbing Gristle is strange. KOL is normal as shit from my perspective, but apparently not my friends (which is quite frustrating). You wanna get weird? Let's go:





    A couple of the weirder things I have known and liked, not that I couldn't go on basically forever with this sort of thing. I like extremely weird music. Btw, check out the last minute or so of the TG vid. It's quite a surprise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by badger055 View Post
    Can't stand Ne logic. I pretty much think they are half retarded most of the time and stop talking to them.
    If you can't handle the heat, get outta the kitchen.

    No but seriously, I get how some might see Ne connections as retarded, but there's more there than meets the eye.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zago View Post
    For me something like Throbbing Gristle is strange. KOL is normal as shit from my perspective, but apparently not my friends (which is quite frustrating). You wanna get weird? Let's go:





    A couple of the weirder things I have known and liked, not that I couldn't go on basically forever with this sort of thing. I like extremely weird music. Btw, check out the last minute or so of the TG vid. It's quite a surprise.
    The first one seems to be influenced by a fucking high drug trip, and the second for some reason raises the whole spectrum of negative feelings in me and it reminds me on some weird disney opera song for very strange fairytale.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skylights View Post
    It isn't "random" at all... it is simply defining connections between things which may not be concrete or tangible.
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    well said. it's also not as disjointed as people make it out to be. looking for universal truths rather than isolated connections.
    Quote Originally Posted by nicolita View Post
    No but seriously, I get how some might see Ne connections as retarded, but there's more there than meets the eye.
    That. And, to add, what others perceive as 'randomness' simply isn't so random from the perspective of the Ne-ego. From the Ne-ego standpoint, those connections between seemingly unrelated phenomena, ideas, and objects are just.. there. They're a part of reality. The connections between the dots exist just as naturally as the dots themselves do.

    And then, to answer the OP's question, it's the Ji function that evaluates those connections (as @Alea_iacta_est pretty much said).

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