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    Quote Originally Posted by Orange Fusion View Post
    Of course, NJs will think of the different possibilities for their own future actions, and even the actions of others - that's a major part of Ni, as far as I can make out.

    But I wasn't talking about "actions" of any kind. I was talking about NJs not questioning their fundamental basic beliefs as often as many other types (maybe Si types question them even less). This is why IN-Js in particular often have very strange views of the world.
    That's because INxJ types lead function is dominant intuition, meaning they trust the connections it makes over the other functions. Actually Ni is a double-edged sword, you either see exactly how the world works or you don't.

    As an INTP, I believe I may have been trusting my overdeveloped Ni too much over the past few months, so I'm going to attempt to depend on Ti and Ne more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orange Fusion View Post
    Of course, NJs will think of the different possibilities for their own future actions, and even the actions of others - that's a major part of Ni, as far as I can make out.

    But I wasn't talking about "actions" of any kind. I was talking about NJs not questioning their fundamental basic beliefs as often as many other types (maybe Si types question them even less). This is why IN-Js in particular often have very strange views of the world.
    And now let's see these warped-worldviews demonstrated in-action!

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    You have to make the rules, not follow them. – The ideal “box” should transform its own constraints in accordance with the context and what it contains, come to form a “best fit”.
    We are being guided by good designers and misled by evil players. – The good side is the real power of creation and salvation, whereas the dark side is a cheap copy that distorts it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alea_iacta_est View Post
    That's because INxJ types lead function is dominant intuition, meaning they trust the connections it makes over the other functions. Actually Ni is a double-edged sword, you either see exactly how the world works or you don't.

    As an INTP, I believe I may have been trusting my overdeveloped Ni too much over the past few months, so I'm going to attempt to depend on Ti and Ne more.
    Yes, I agree - IN-Js can either be very right (sometimes to the point of genius) and "ahead of the curve" (as an NJ in your sig would say haha), or very wrong. Either way, they have no justification for their beliefs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RaptorWizard View Post
    And now let's see these warped-worldviews demonstrated in-action!

    The Omega Simulation



    You have to make the rules, not follow them. – The ideal “box” should transform its own constraints in accordance with the context and what it contains, come to form a “best fit”.
    We are being guided by good designers and misled by evil players. – The good side is the real power of creation and salvation, whereas the dark side is a cheap copy that distorts it.
    Interesting video, though I'd prefer one that doesn't attempt to statically chart the future, doesn't add cheesy intense mysterious music, and knows how to make text readable on a background (2:08 anyone?).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orange Fusion View Post
    Yes, I agree - IN-Js can either be very right (sometimes to the point of genius) and "ahead of the curve" (as an NJ in your sig would say haha), or very wrong. Either way, they have no justification for their beliefs.
    I'd assume that haha you reference is to the Joker quote, who is unquestionably a morally insane ENTP.

    And INxJs do have justification for their beliefs (in the case of INTJs at least), Te, which is more objective and logical than Ti, Ne, and Ni put together, so its a fair balance.

    Though, when INTJs don't use Te, we end up with incoherent nonsense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alea_iacta_est View Post
    I'd assume that haha you reference is to the Joker quote, who is unquestionably a morally insane ENTP.

    And INxJs do have justification for their beliefs (in the case of INTJs at least), Te, which is more objective and logical than Ti, Ne, and Ni put together, so its a fair balance.
    How can a person be morally insane? He's a psychopath, yeah, and insane, yeah. But morally insane?

    I was talking about them not having any justification for their beliefs, as given by Ni. Te can rescue them in this regard, yes. Haha Te is more logical and objective than Ti and Ne put together? In what universe?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orange Fusion View Post
    How can a person be morally insane? He's a psychopath, yeah, and insane, yeah. But morally insane?

    I was talking about them not having any justification for their beliefs, as given by Ni. Te can rescue them in this regard, yes. Haha Te is more logical and objective than Ti and Ne put together? In what universe?
    Psychopath = moral insanity = disregard for emotion and apathetic to and willing to hurt others for personal gain
    Actual insanity = repeating mistakes several times without learning from experience
    Schizophrenia and Sadistic PD in all forms and possibly comorbid = today's connotation of insane

    Te is the most objective function (forgot to mention tied with Se), i.e. this universe.

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    I personally think that practically most forms of getting to type is fairly legitimate through the MBTI, JCF, the system that Eric B set up and such. It just takes knowing as to how you use each one of these tools to your own use really. I am personally a ~functions~ fan that implements quite a bit of the MBTI methodology into my own reasoning. Largely just focusing on the raw elements (I-E T-F N-S only) themselves and noting that how they express each one of these functions are generally unique to the individual themselves. I would also use socionic's naming system, just for shits and giggles.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alea_iacta_est View Post
    Psychopath = moral insanity = disregard for emotion and apathetic to and willing to hurt others for personal gain
    Actual insanity = repeating mistakes several times without learning from experience
    Schizophrenia and Sadistic PD in all forms and possibly comorbid = today's connotation of insane

    Te is the most objective function, i.e. this universe.
    Can you explain why you think Te is so objective? What do you think Te does?

    Morality is too subjective and irrational a concept for the lack of it to be an indication of insanity or mental disorders. "Lack of empathy" and "callousness" are better signs of psychopathy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orange Fusion View Post
    Can you explain why you think Te is so objective? What do you think Te does?

    Morality is too subjective and irrational a concept for the lack of it to be an indication of insanity or mental disorders. "Lack of empathy" and "callousness" are better signs of psychopathy.
    Moral insanity is not too subjective to describe a psychopath, for it implies that the individual totally lacks a moral compass, something which non-afflicted people have one way or another despite no central agreement on what is right and wrong. Moral insanity is directly equal to lack of conscience, an actual sign of psychopathy.

    From:http://personalitycafe.com/isfj-arti...functions.html

    Extroverted Thinking
    Valuing external logic, the psyche prefers to guide its sense of logic by looking for evidence to support the desired logic. Like Ti, the Te psyche can create internal logical classifications to build understanding. However the difference is that the logic (guided by another subjective function) made must have a strong adherence to the external reality else the psyche disputes it. Ti doesn’t care though hence it prefers to mould its understanding around its perception data, which it hopes is accurate hence such psyches dislike loops (Ti-Ni or Ti-Si loops).

    Introverted Thinking
    Introverted logic has similarities to Te in the sense that the psyche sources its data from the external world. Ti types can see the same logic as Te types do, they don’t invent logic in order to create understanding. Instead, they focus and “subject” the external logic creating meaning. In subjecting the logic, these types hope that the perception data they employ is objective as that becomes the only final frontier establishing objective understanding. As stated before loops (Ti-Si or Ti-Ni) are disliked since they naturally distort the perception of reality.

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