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    I bet @Nicodemus is in the same boat I am on this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DiscoBiscuit View Post
    My response was to @CapLawyer.

    Someone with psychopathic traits is understandably more sensitive to a conversation about psychopathic traits than someone without them.

    EDIT - however your comment about how normal folks with those traits being more dangerous is utter bullshit.
    I believe I used the phrase "psychopathic values". Imagine a neurotypical who valued being cool under pressure to the point that he/she repressed their emotions. That's not "cool" or "collected" like you'd think a psychopath would approach issues - that's just an accident waiting to happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ginkgo View Post
    I believe I used the phrase "psychopathic values". Imagine a neurotypical who valued being cool under pressure to the point that he/she repressed their emotions. That's not "cool" or "collected" like you'd think a psychopath would approach issues - that's just an accident waiting to happen.
    Lots of people repress their emotions.

    I think its quite a leap to say doing that makes one an accident waiting to happen.

    A lot of times I feel like emotions are an accident waiting to happen.

    Have you ever heard of a crime of passion?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DiscoBiscuit View Post
    Lots of people repress their emotions.

    I think its quite a leap to say doing that makes one an accident waiting to happen.

    A lot of times I feel like emotions are an accident waiting to happen.

    Have you ever heard of a crime of passion?
    Roughly speaking, I think there are three dimensions to being a psychopath (having Antisocial Personality Disorder): 1) Cool under fire; 2) Impulsive/thrill-seeking; 3) Having no inhibiting values ("It's okay to cheat on my wife as long as she doesn't find out")

    I think it's easy enough to be or even to learn 1 and 2. But the "values" dimension is a little tougher: You have to be that slimy guy who is willing to shit on anyone in your way, and everyone around you knows it.

    Maybe it's just me being an Fi-dom, but I think lack of values is what differentiates psychopathy from a mere "cool under fire" attitude: It's that lack of values and that willingness to indulge rip-offs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FLD View Post
    Roughly speaking, I think there are three dimensions to being a psychopath: 1) Cool under fire; 2) Impulsive/thrill-seeking; 3) Having no inhibiting values ("It's okay to cheat on my wife as long as she doesn't find out")

    I think it's easy enough to be or even to learn 1 and 2. But the "values" dimension is a little tougher: You have to be that slimy guy who is willing to shit on anyone in your way, and everyone around you knows it.

    Maybe it's just me being an Fi-dom, but I think lack of values is what differentiates psychopathy from a mere "cool under fire" attitude: It's that lack of values and willingness to indulge rip-offs.
    Well I've never cheated on a girl.

    I've been cheated on, but never the other way around. I value loyalty.

    I am more impulsive than I would prefer though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DiscoBiscuit View Post
    Well I've never cheated on a girl.

    I've been cheated on, but never the other way around. I value loyalty. [...]
    Well, that's the rub. That's why I don't see you as being very psychopathic. When I read your posts, you seem to be pretty values-oriented about a lot of your personal beliefs.

    Below is some background on Antisocial Personality Disorder (APD). Again, APD is the DSM designator for "psychopathy" for purposes of diagnosis and treatment:

    [The DSM] describes Antisocial Personality Disorder as a pervasive pattern of disregard for and violation of the rights of others occurring since age 15 years, as indicated by three (or more) of the following:
    --failure to conform to social norms with respect to lawful behaviors as indicated by repeatedly performing acts that are grounds for arrest;
    --deceitfulness, as indicated by repeated lying, use of aliases, or conning others for personal profit or pleasure;
    --impulsivity or failure to plan ahead;
    --irritability and aggressiveness, as indicated by repeated physical fights or assaults;
    --reckless disregard for safety of self or others; .
    --consistent irresponsibility, as indicated by repeated failure to sustain consistent work behavior or honor financial obligations;
    --lack of remorse, as indicated by being indifferent to or rationalizing having hurt, mistreated, or stolen from another.
    Personal beliefs of people with APD:

    --I have to look out for myself.
    --Force or cunning is the best way to get things done.
    --We live in a jungle and the strong person is the one who survives.
    --People will get at me if I don't get them first.
    --It is not important to keep promises or honor debts.
    --Lying and cheating are OK as long as you don't get caught.
    --I have been unfairly treated and am entitled to get my fair share by whatever means I can.
    --Other people are weak and deserve to be taken.
    --If I don't push other people, I will get pushed around.
    --I should do whatever I can get away with.
    --What others think of me doesn't really matter.
    --If I want something, I should do whatever is necessary to get it.
    --I can get away with things so I don't need to worry about bad consequences.
    --If people can't take care of themselves, that's their problem.
    (Both of the above are from http://www.ptypes.com/antisocialpd.html )

    Also, see this on diagnosis and treatment of APD:

    http://web.archive.org/web/200502050...dd/antisoc.htm

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    Quote Originally Posted by FLD View Post
    Well, that the rub. That's why I don't see you as being very psychopathic. You seem to be pretty value-oriented about a lot of your personal beliefs.

    Here is some background on Antisocial Personality Disorder (ASPD):



    Personal beliefs of people with ASPD:



    (Both of the above are from http://www.ptypes.com/antisocialpd.html )

    Also, see this on diagnosis and treatment of APD:

    http://web.archive.org/web/200502050...dd/antisoc.htm
    Trust me, I have the traits.

    I'm not as empathetic as most folks.

    If put in a situation where I had to, I don't think I would hesitate to kill someone.

    Im pretty Machiavellian from time to time.

    I'm not too far down the scale of psychopathy, but I'm definitely on the scale.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DiscoBiscuit View Post
    Trust me, I have the traits.

    I'm not as empathetic as most folks.

    If put in a situation where I had to, I don't think I would hesitate to kill someone.

    Im pretty Machiavellian from time to time.

    I'm not too far down the scale of psychopathy, but I'm definitely on the scale.
    I trust an ENTJ to not be very empathetic. But their strong Te usually means that they have some strong ideas about how society should work, kind of like an ersatz Fe. So I don't tend to think of them as having that sort of raw "sliminess" of someone with real APD.

    But yeah, I'm sure ENTJs could stick a knife in someone's back on a one-time basis if they truly believed the prize was worth it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FLD View Post
    I trust an ENTJ to not be very empathetic. But their strong Te usually means that they have some strong ideas about how society should work, kind of like an ersatz Fe. So I don't tend to think of them as having that sort of raw "sliminess" of someone with real APD.

    But yeah, I'm sure ENTJs could stick a knife in someone's back on a one-time basis if they truly believed the prize was worth it.
    The only place I would stick a knife is in someones front.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DiscoBiscuit View Post
    The only place I would stick a knife is in someones front.
    Again, you have too many values to be a real psychopath.

    Psychopaths don't fight fair. They want victims, not a contest. They go for the back.

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