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    Default Turning inward vs outward

    Don't know why I didn't put this together sooner (at least, I don't think I did).
    The eight function-attitudes in terms of the “turning inward or outward” concept I learned from MBTI class, which I’m seeing is the simplest most accurate way to express them:

    Se turning outward for tangible observations (emergent experience)
    Si turning inward for tangible observations (referencing a storehouse of experience)
    Ne turning outward for conceptual observations (emergent inferences extracted from objects)
    Ni turning inward for conceptual observations (referencing a storehouse of inferential patterns)
    Te turning outward to make impersonal assessments (the determination of logical order is implicit in the object)
    Ti turning inward to make impersonal assessments (determinations stem from an internal blueprint of order)
    Fe turning outward to make personal assessments (harmony is determined based directly on the group)
    Fi turning inward to make personal assessments (harmony is determined from an internal blueprint)
    APS Profile: Inclusion: e/w=1/6 (Supine) |Control: e/w=7/3 (Choleric) |Affection: e/w=1/9 (Supine)
    Ti 54.3 | Ne 47.3 | Si 37.8 | Fe 17.7 | Te 22.5 | Ni 13.4 | Se 18.9 | Fi 27.9

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    Was going to do up all 16 types like this, but with must my type, you get the idea (you basically use the other types whose preferred functions form the other “blocks” (tert/inf, etc) as the templates for how those functions will play out in those complexes):

    INTP

    Lead with Ti (hero):
    Default ego worldview is to turn inward to make impersonal assessments (determinations stem from an internal blueprint of order)
    May overdo it and neglect the personal side of things and the outer world.

    Support with Ne (parent):
    Supply worldview with data, and tend to help others by turning outward for conceptual observations (emergent inferences extracted from objects)
    May overdo it and resist tangible reality (life "as is"), details, etc.

    Find relief with Si (Puer):
    Reflects aux. by turning inward for tangible observations (referencing a storehouse of experience)
    May overdo it and become stuck in the past (in a childish way), or stubbornly cling onto what is known to be true and not change it

    Aspire to Fe (inferior/anima):
    Deep down inside want to turn outward to make personal assessments (harmony determined based directly on the group)
    May overdo it and on one hand, become too dependent on acceptance by others (neglecting any inner sense of self), yet still not be willing to adapt to social situations seen as illogical

    The SHADOWS:

    Oppose with Te (also backup):
    When ego feels obstructed by something, turn outward to make impersonal assessments (the determination of logical order is implicit in the object).
    Use this to try to beat others at their logic using their own principles.

    Critical with Ni (senex):
    When ego feels negated, turn inward for conceptual observations (referencing a storehouse of inferential patterns).
    Parental "authority" which focuses on a lot of possibilities now locks in on one (stored inside, and previously ignored), usually reflecting the negative pattern associated with what caused the feeling of negation in the first place.
    It can become good if more attention is paid to such inner intuitions, in which case "big pictures" would be found, with more positive implications.

    Trick with Se:
    When ego feels double-bound or put upon; turn outward for tangible observations (emergent experience)
    Throw facts back at people to get them off my back or reverse the expectations. Child, storing past facts and burdens, now turns "bad" and grabs emergent data against the accuser (usually what the other person is doing that is the "same thing they criticize me for").
    Use of tangible contrasts and oppositions (sights, sounds, etc) can come in handy in a comical way.

    Be destructive with Fi (Daimon):
    When ego feels threatened with destruction; turn inward to make personal assessments (harmony is determined from an internal blueprint)
    When not getting the acceptance the inferior complex desires, and especially when it just doesn't make sense, as the hero(ego) desires, then there may be feelings of being "no good", totally, or that maybe even life itself is corrupt.
    Eventually, can draw a sense of worth from stressful feelings. It seems to involve realizing that ego (at least in this current earthy state) is temporary, and the things it wants is not really worth such feelings of destruction.
    APS Profile: Inclusion: e/w=1/6 (Supine) |Control: e/w=7/3 (Choleric) |Affection: e/w=1/9 (Supine)
    Ti 54.3 | Ne 47.3 | Si 37.8 | Fe 17.7 | Te 22.5 | Ni 13.4 | Se 18.9 | Fi 27.9

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    The INTP description looks great. Can't wait to see the other types.
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    Oh, I wasn't planning to do all of them; at least not now.
    But it's a "modular" template system. The archetype triggers will be the same, just move the function description ("turning {inward/outward} for {tangible, conceptual, personal, impersonal} {observations/assessments}").

    Here's ENTJ, which was easy to switch up from INTP.

    Lead with Te (hero):
    Default ego worldview is to turn outward to make impersonal assessments (the determination of logical order is implicit in the object).
    May overdo it and neglect the personal side of things and the inner world.

    Support with Ni (parent):
    Supply worldview with data, and tend to help others by turning inward for conceptual observations (referencing a storehouse of inferential patterns).
    May overdo it and resist tangible reality (life "as is"), details, etc.

    Find relief with Se (Puer):
    Reflects aux. by turning outward for tangible observations (emergent experience)
    May overdo it and become hooked on thrill-seeking and daring stunts (in a childish way), or stubbornly fall into black and white thinking

    Aspire to Fi (inferior/anima):
    Deep down inside want to turn inward to make personal assessments (harmony is determined from an internal blueprint)
    May overdo it and on one hand, become too dependent on an inner sense of self (neglecting the feelings of others), yet still not be willing to use his inner feelings to relate to others

    The SHADOWS:

    Oppose with Ti (also backup):
    When ego feels obstructed by something, turn outward to make impersonal assessments (determinations stem from an internal blueprint of order)
    Use this to try to beat others at their logic using universal principles.

    Critical with Ne (senex):
    When ego feels negated, turn outward for conceptual observations (emergent inferences extracted from objects)
    Parental "authority" which focuses on a set inference now tosses out a bunch (from external objects, and previously ignored), usually pointing back to the negative pattern associated with what caused the feeling of negation in the first place.
    It can become good if more attention is paid to such outer possibilities, in which case "big pictures" would be less reigdly selected, finding more positive implications.

    Trick with Si:
    When ego feels double-bound or put upon; turn inward for tangible observations (referencing a storehouse of experience)
    Throw historical facts (often skewed or distorted) back at people to get them off their back or reverse the expectations. Child, trapped in black and white thinking, now turns "bad" and grabs stored data against the accuser.
    [Not really sure how the "comedic" positive side of Trickster Si comes out]

    Be destructive with Fe (Daimon):
    When ego feels threatened with destruction; turn outward to make personal assessments (harmony determined based directly on the group)
    When internal values the inferior complex desires are violated, and especially when it just doesn't make efficient sense, as the hero(ego) desires, then there may be feelings of being unappreciated or even persecuted by others. They then try to destroy the offender's reputation or standing in the group.*
    [Again, not sure of how exactly the positive side of Daimon Fe comes out. Can just echo Berens, who says "Yet on occasion, can make personal connections and adjust to other people in ways that transform their daily lives].

    *Should have added, for Daimonic Fi, that I try to destroy the person's standing ethically, like when battling the views of political conservatives


    There are some details that changed, but it should give the idea.
    APS Profile: Inclusion: e/w=1/6 (Supine) |Control: e/w=7/3 (Choleric) |Affection: e/w=1/9 (Supine)
    Ti 54.3 | Ne 47.3 | Si 37.8 | Fe 17.7 | Te 22.5 | Ni 13.4 | Se 18.9 | Fi 27.9

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    Here basically are the type templates:

    ISTJ
    Si turn inward for tangible observations (referencing a storehouse of experience)

    Te turn outward to make impersonal assessments (the determination of logical order is implicit in the object)
    ISFJ
    Si turn inward for tangible observations (referencing a storehouse of experience)

    Fe turn outward to make personal assessments (harmony is determined based directly on the group)
    INFJ
    Ni turn inward for conceptual observations (referencing a storehouse of inferential patterns)

    Fe turn outward to make personal assessments (harmony is determined based directly on the group)
    INTJ
    Ni turn inward for conceptual observations (referencing a storehouse of inferential patterns)

    Te turn outward to make impersonal assessments (the determination of logical order is implicit in the object)
    ISTP
    Ti turn inward to make impersonal assessments (determinations stem from an internal blueprint of order)

    Se turn outward for tangible observations (emergent experience)
    ISFP
    Fi turn inward to make personal assessments (harmony is determined from an internal blueprint)

    Se turn outward for tangible observations (emergent experience)
    INFP
    Fi turn inward to make personal assessments (harmony is determined from an internal blueprint)

    Ne turn outward for conceptual observations (emergent inferences extracted from objects)
    INTP
    Ti turn inward to make impersonal assessments (determinations stem from an internal blueprint of order)

    Ne turn outward for conceptual observations (emergent inferences extracted from objects)
    ESTP
    Se turn outward for tangible observations (emergent experience)

    Ti turn inward to make impersonal assessments (determinations stem from an internal blueprint of order)
    ESFP
    Se turn outward for tangible observations (emergent experience)

    Fi turn inward to make personal assessments (harmony is determined from an internal blueprint)
    ENFP
    Ne turn outward for conceptual observations (emergent inferences extracted from objects)

    Fi turn inward to make personal assessments (harmony is determined from an internal blueprint)
    ENTP
    Ne turn outward for conceptual observations (emergent inferences extracted from objects)

    Ti turn inward to make impersonal assessments (determinations stem from an internal blueprint of order)
    ESTJ
    Te turn outward to make impersonal assessments (the determination of logical order is implicit in the object)

    Si turn inward for tangible observations (referencing a storehouse of experience)
    ESFJ
    Fe turn outward to make personal assessments (harmony is determined based directly on the group)

    Si turn inward for tangible observations (referencing a storehouse of experience)
    ENFJ
    Fe turn outward to make personal assessments (harmony is determined based directly on the group)

    Ni turn inward for conceptual observations (referencing a storehouse of inferential patterns)
    ENTJ
    Te turn outward to make impersonal assessments (the determination of logical order is implicit in the object)

    Ni turn inward for conceptual observations (referencing a storehouse of inferential patterns)
    APS Profile: Inclusion: e/w=1/6 (Supine) |Control: e/w=7/3 (Choleric) |Affection: e/w=1/9 (Supine)
    Ti 54.3 | Ne 47.3 | Si 37.8 | Fe 17.7 | Te 22.5 | Ni 13.4 | Se 18.9 | Fi 27.9

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