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    Quote Originally Posted by greenfairy View Post
    Do you think the inferior function always shapes anger or the expression of it?
    I think it is possible that it might work this way.... I'm not familiar with enough different types to conclude this. Do you think it does this for you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by msg_v2 View Post
    I think it is possible that it might work this way.... I'm not familiar with enough different types to conclude this. Do you think it does this for you?
    Well when I'm angry I notice a definite Fe flavor as opposed to Te, so that was a major point in favor of INTP; but I can see inferior Se with it too now that I'm familiar with it. I don't have enough experience with observing all of the inferior functions to see how they all manifest. So I conclude that it is a feeling function plus the inferior, and I'm curious as to what other people think about it. Obviously the feeling function has to do with feelings and their expression, but the inferior has associations as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by greenfairy View Post
    Well when I'm angry I notice a definite Fe flavor as opposed to Te, so that was a major point in favor of INTP; but I can see inferior Se with it too now that I'm familiar with it. I don't have enough experience with observing all of the inferior functions to see how they all manifest. So I conclude that it is a feeling function plus the inferior, and I'm curious as to what other people think about it. Obviously the feeling function has to do with feelings and their expression, but the inferior has associations as well.
    What does inferior Se denote?

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    Yeah, I'm not sure how that would materialize. What have you seen?

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    I'm never sure, with these threads, whether "Fi users" is implied to mean "FPs", but in case Fi-inferior input would be useful, here it is.

    I'm on my phone, so here it is sans quoting:

    @Z Buck McFate

    - There is no doubt in my mind that I would prefer rational content over rational tone -- and fairness above all else. I'd rather that settling the grievance be: "I was/am angry because you did this action" -- and if part of their anger comes from a perceived perspective I was coming from, I'd rather that they ask me what motivated my action -- rather than assuming one way or another.

    - Unless they are spreading lies about me, then who they consult in advance of talking to me is their business. I'd rather not know about it.

    - Since I do tend to be so direct, and since I try incredibly hard to be fair even when I'm angry, "white noise" comes from people being indirect and/or unfair. I tend to assume
    1) that they're being 100% honest and mean everything they say,
    2) that they'll feel identically when they've calmed down, and
    3) that they're probably MUCH angrier than they actually are, because "if I were acting that way..."
    I've read elsewhere on the forum that STJs can react apocalyptically when people are mad at them, and if that's the case, then my motivations likely apply to many of them as well.

    @fidelia

    - Probably unfair claims about motivation. They both bother me though.

    - I don't instinctively know how to handle other Fi-users' anger, because sometimes they say horrible, petty things just to make themselves feel better in the moment -- something I never, EVER do. If I accidentally lash out when I'm mad, it's in the form of a direct comment spoken angrily. No extra frills added for the sake of extra hurt. (If I sound resentful about it, it's because I've been on the wrong end of it -- from TJs, even.)

    - It bothers me when people tell me they're mad and refuse to tell me why until they've calmed down. I'd rather they wait to tell me they're mad until they've calmed down. I don't want to sit there and stress about the lack of information/closure for any longer than necessary -- I want the time between being made aware of the issue and resolving the issue to be as short as possible. (See the "apocalyptic" talk above for why that would bother me.)

    - I don't care that much about moment-to-moment "truths" -- that's like sharing every single feeling that comes into your mind, as soon as it shows itself, which doesn't seem even remotely constructive. The truths that matter in these instances are the ones that will last, or that you think are likely to last. Yes, you're angry now, but how serious is it? Will some of it pass naturally? What's causing the anger? How can you resolve it constructively? What can be fixed with talking, and what must be healed with time?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lady X View Post
    yes...i operate from a place of accepting responsibility for my own emotional responses and don't need someone to manage them for me.
    I know I said I wouldn't participate, and after this I'll stop 'for real this time'- but is this how the op comes across, like it's asking about managing someone else's emotional response?

    [Because the intention was to ask what sorts of interaction Fi types personally need in conflict to feel respected.]


    eta: and @EJCC, thank you- I am actually wondering about ALL Fi types.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Z Buck McFate View Post
    I know I said I wouldn't participate, and after this I'll stop 'for real this time'- but is this how the op comes across, like it's asking about managing someone else's emotional response?

    [Because the intention was to ask what sorts of interaction Fi types personally need in conflict to feel respected.]


    eta: and @EJCC, thank you- I am actually wondering about ALL Fi types.
    that wasn't said in judgement of the op. was just saying that i can handle whatever this persons method is.

    that is not to say that if i feel someones being disrespectful that i won't then say that.

    it's all so very situational that it's hard to give clear answers.

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    I don't express anger, and don't know how to handle it from others, nor have I ever had anyone who's seen me as significant enough to express their anger or frustration towards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by greenfairy View Post
    Well when I'm angry I notice a definite Fe flavor as opposed to Te, so that was a major point in favor of INTP; but I can see inferior Se with it too now that I'm familiar with it. I don't have enough experience with observing all of the inferior functions to see how they all manifest. So I conclude that it is a feeling function plus the inferior, and I'm curious as to what other people think about it. Obviously the feeling function has to do with feelings and their expression, but the inferior has associations as well.
    Well, yeah. When I'm angry, there's usually a sense of injustice present somewhre.

    Though irritation is a different beast.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lady X View Post
    that wasn't said in judgement of the op. was just saying that i can handle whatever this persons method is.
    Can I yell at you? Honest question.
    [Trump's] rhetoric is not an abuse of power. In the same way that it's also not against the law to do a backflip off of the roof of your house onto your concrete driveway. It's just mind-numbingly stupid and, to say the least, counterproductive. - Bush did 9-11


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