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    Being a Fi dom is suffering.
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    So people know Fi types are tortured souls? I don't have to contain myself as to the things I feel are wrong with them?

    (Diagnostically, of course)

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    The Fi-Dom thread is turning maudlin. A good time to quote a classic:

    Quote Originally Posted by man View Post
    life is very pain
    a poem by man

    LIFE IS FULL OF PAIN
    as i sit
    trap in box

    MANY MANS FEEL THE PAIN
    of not be as manly as me

    i sympathize, for i
    once was trap in box
    worry about not be as
    MANLY AS MYSELF

    this is pain of life
    womyn have LUCK
    for they dont feel this pain

    unless they transgender
    man trap in woman body
    THE HORROR

    life is very pain

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    This is a question not easily answered in part because being an Fi-dom means a great many things. It would take a near lifetime to explain it and map out the various nuances for an observer. I also don't resonate with the descriptions mentioned above.

    Addendum: It turned into quite the wall of text. What this means to me? That's hard to articulate. Read at your own peril. I put a tl;dr version at the bottom.


    I will mention a few points however:

    1) An Fi-dom is never static. Fi values are in perpetual motion. Fi at its greatest efficiency is when it is translating the self into a language that can be detected via introversion and consciously understood by the individual. However a person is always changing. There is variance in stimuli from one second to the next, there is variance in the chemical composition of an individual from one second to the next and there is variance in health from one second to the next. The notion that people do not change is an illusion. These changes will influence "the self" and Fi must detect these changes and respond accordingly. If it does not then it would not take long for the Fi to become irrelevant - it would be providing feedback for a state of mind which no longer exists. The good thing about it is that the key for it to be relevant is that you don't concentrate too much about it. It will work away on its own and if not under pressure it has the time to make the calculations. I myself am aware of this process within the confines of introspection and I am (when not under stress) happy to let it work away and to feel an inner world in motion. I would think inner peace would occur when the system has collapsed and I do not know myself any more.

    2) Fi is a gargantuan machine; it is a huge winding and twisting matrix and a system of pure order. An Fi user may convince themselves that their values do not change but this is because they are observing them as a whole. There are many remnants in the system - old values which no longer are valued but have not been consciously identified as such even though they have been consciously observed. For example I may have a sentimental love for a television show I watched in my childhood. However I do not value it any more and only when I find the time to stop and mentally explore its nature I realise I do not love it and the sentiment has merely prevented me from realising I do not. In time remnants are rooted out and functionality is improved - until time creates more remnants. I would think that many "rigid values" Fi-doms spout and staunchly defend are remnants which they have yet to throw away.

    3) This INFP is very comfortable with exploring his inner world. There are many unpleasant things in the psyche and in the self and I am happy facing them. However I (and others I would presume) are at the mercy of emotions. They are known quantities but despite this they can still overwhelm. The emotions of the moment can be used as tools for the sake of creativity (perhaps this is more enneagram related however) but emotions and sentiment are very much the anti-thesis of Fi (this is one of the frustrations when people equate Feeling with emotion.) It takes discipline to listen to Fi over rampaging, strong emotions and often this does not occur if Fi does not value discipline in that moment (heh it screws itself.) It should be noted however that the self is rooted in emotional desires. For the Fi user this tends to be via synthesis of two dialectical pairs. In this case the assimilation of new emotional motivators by the Fi to act as new roots. It occurs sometimes within a second and other times over the course of months or years.

    4) Fi-doms are remembered as whiners and complainers when things don't go as they wanted. Part of this is inferior Te but half of this is value invalidation. As mentioned in points 1 and 2 values are rendered obsolete all the time. Sometimes entire value systems are rendered obsolete in a second. The problem is most of the time values are invalidated and dismissed without any complaint from the Fi user. The likelihood of complaints or frustration occurs when a value they weren't comfortable with letting go of becomes invalidated and the invalidation of an entire value system carries this as a big risk due to increased probability. These are the only ones the observer knows about and thus many of the criticisms made are made out of ignorance.

    5) Altruism is not a requirement for Fi. It is often the result of one not realising how many values are at risk when they take an impulsive action and/or not realising that a "selfless" act is something their ego is benefiting from. Integrity is wired heavily up to the perpetual motion of values. Standards of integrity for the person will change as the values do unless it is built out of remnants.

    6) Pe feeds into Fi as if it were something being fed into a machine. You never lose sight of Fi, you merely turn part of your attention away from introspecting for a while.

    7) It is constant because it is multi-faceted. Different facets show themselves in different quantities at different times but it is all there at all times.

    8) Possibly unrelated - Much of the system's connections are built around fuzzy logic. It is common for it to have an interest in symbolism (that is ascribing a meaning to an object which is known to have no such meaning outside the self), to see or think in "colours" (not concretely however) and to see visually. I myself utilise imagination visually and when using Fi to create a story I work it as if it were a holodeck from Star Trek. I rewind it and fast forward adding and taking things away until I find creative perfection.

    tl;dr version

    1) Values are changing because Fi-doms can't afford to have an outdated system as a compass.
    2) Some things the Fi-dom values are no longer valued at all. They just haven't been determined as such.
    3) Fi isn't about emotions but it isn't beyond using them or making in the moment emotions part of its fundamental reasons for doing something.
    4) Fi-doms give up a lot without complaint despite what others may believe.
    5) Content can change. Fi values can conceivably be anti-human or sociopathic in extreme cases. Many "noble virtues" may run counter to the welfare of an Fi-dom.
    6) Pe (in my case Ne) acts only as a mere vacation of sorts but otherwise serves the need of Fi. It creates new ideas to be assessed for worth and allows intuitive leaps to navigate the inner world.
    7) It is always there in some capacity or another.
    8) It is not a hard, cold system. I would even say it resembles a planet - it has a solid core and a gaseous exterior which is kept in check but allowed freedom.

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    Fi doms... interesting people. critical people. people who blame others for their own feelings, sometimes. ...Actually, I have no true idea, but (I think) I am friends/roommates with one.

    I was eating dinner with my INFP buddy and we overheard some guys talking. I was sort of lost in thought so I didn't pay too much attention whereas she was all "...I hate people who talk loudly because that means I have to judge them..." and I was all ".....okay. You can judge them if you want to... they can't hear you ...xD" ...But I can understand her dilemma; she doesn't want to judge people, but she feels she has no other option.

    She gets angry whenever she sees vegan products and blames those who perpetuate this issue by being all "OH-HEY-LET'S-BE-HEALTHTARDS!"

    She can (supposedly, but I'll take her word for it) see who a person really is in the first few meetings (she'll give them a chance, but she is always proven right, I guess).

    And she tells me all the time that she knows she's the shit and complains about others being horrible people.

    ...she makes her opinions/feelings pretty much known to me; nothing particularly secretive/mysterious about her. Just the average, judgmental person.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thoughtlost View Post
    Fi doms... interesting people. critical people. people who blame others for their own feelings, sometimes. ...Actually, I have no true idea, but (I think) I am friends/roommates with one.

    I was eating dinner with my INFP buddy and we overheard some guys talking. I was sort of lost in thought so I didn't pay too much attention whereas she was all "...I hate people who talk loudly because that means I have to judge them..." and I was all ".....okay. You can judge them if you want to... they can't hear you ...xD" ...But I can understand her dilemma; she doesn't want to judge people, but she feels she has no other option.

    She gets angry whenever she sees vegan products and blames those who perpetuate this issue by being all "OH-HEY-LET'S-BE-HEALTHTARDS!"

    She can (supposedly, but I'll take her word for it) see who a person really is in the first few meetings (she'll give them a chance, but she is always proven right, I guess).

    And she tells me all the time that she knows she's the shit and complains about others being horrible people.

    ...she makes her opinions/feelings pretty much known to me; nothing particularly secretive/mysterious about her. Just the average, judgmental person.
    Try EFP cp6.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stansmith View Post
    Try EFP cp6.
    Yeah, I think you're right about the cp6 part... but hey... whatevs... I am still secretly scared of her

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