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    Default Who's craziest: INFJ or INTJ?

    Both of these types seem to contain many of the craziest people in existence. They have all of these funny metaphysical visions and spiritual premonitions of amazing magical forces in our world and the events they make imminent. Then these somehow turn out to be revolutionary insights into the nature of everything, very integrative and good for unification. Other times though their ideas turn out as insane conspiracies or grand delusions only existing in the imagination. Lots of biblical and other various religious prophets commonly seem to be INJ as well. I really can't tell which is the crazier of the 2, so who's craziest: INFJ or INTJ?

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    My best bet is that INTJ is the craziest. They construct acentric labyrinths that are way too much out there and ahead of their times. Then they are also highly aware of mysterious underlying patterns behind things and expose them from every angle. And then they have these complex plans to realize great and impossible feats that only the craziest people in the world could conceive and achieve.

    That's just my opinion on the matter though, and as I said, I'm still on the whole very undecided as to which one is the craziest. Maybe we'll get some crazy responces here from the crazier.

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    The INTJ's I know have all been very stable people. Albeit, a couple of them somewhat aggressive. And they were all shut in's. But, stable none-the-less.

    The INFJ's I know have all been in emotional upheaval. But I know a smaller pool of INFJ's and may not have the best picture to go on.
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    I dont see INTJs as crazy, but it seems to be a common theme that they are really oblivious to many basic facts of life and have this weird world view where many of the basic knowledge(obvious to most people) doesent exist and some facts are prioritized in a weird way(like too high level of priority on something irrelevant or just on something that isnt really that important), like assuming a priority to random facts without any reason for it being high on priority.

    Not saying that all INFJs are crazy, but some of them tend to assume some weird shit to be true. Like where an INTJ might assume a priority for a fact in irrational way, INFJs can assume something to be a fact, when in fact it is not a fact and not really even close to reality or only has some resemblance with the actual world.
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    INTJ because they are probably going to spend more time alone, with Te being less of a social function than Fe is. Solitude + Ni dominance/inferior Se = reality train going off the rails and into the darkness of oblivion. Long periods of solitude is bad for anyone, but couple it with someone who naturally doesn't take much notice of the immediate reality, and you have a crazy person who sits there in a corner thinking about their weird nonexistent mental constructs.

    Of course, that rested entirely on the assumption that INTJs don't socialise as much as INFJs, which is probably wrong in average cases. But whatever. I'm probably not an Ni-Dom BTW, though it was fun answering anyway.

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    I vote INTJ. I think an Ni-Fi loop is more conducive to craziness than Ni-Ti. An INTJ will do the following:
    A Frenchman, an Englishman, and a German each undertook a study of the camel.

    The Frenchman went to the zoo, spend half an hour there, questioned the staff, threw bread to the camel, poked it with the front of his umbrella, and, returning home, wrote an essay for the papers, full of sharp and witty observations.

    The Englishman, taking his tea basked and a good deal of camping equipment, went to set up camp in the Orient, returning after a sojourn of two or three years with a fat volume, full of raw, disorganized, and inconclusive facts which, nevertheless, had real documentary value.

    As for the German, filled with disdain for the Frenchman’s frivolity and the Englishmans’ lack of metaphysical ideas, he locked himself in his room, and there he drafted a multi-volume work entiteled: The Idea of the Camel Derived from the Concept of the Ego.

    - The German method, of shielding yourself off from the world, in order to see the psychological and metaphysical factors behind our immediate experience of reality, corresponds to Introverted iNtuition, or Ni. The two types which use Ni the most are INTJ and INFJ. This is the approach of Karl Marx, Friedrich Nietzsche, G.W.F. Hegel, Ludwig Wittgenstein, C.G. Jung and others. – That is why Marx said that even though he admired Darwin’s findings, his work was “enveloped in the crude English method.”
    Though the above humorous example can apply to both types, ime INFJ's generally know when their ideas don't exactly correspond to reality, or at least suspect that there is a strong possibility and other people will think they are crazy. INTJ's on the other hand believe that the "normal" people are the crazy ones, and they alone know the secrets of the Universe. Plus, their tertiary loop completely ignores the need for rational explanation, and so their Ni can generate any crazy idea it wants, and the INTJ will just go with it.

    Plus, I think they are more uptight and kinkier, and more prone to being out of inner harmony.

    INFJ's I think are more fluid in their inner world and more openminded, and so I think they have a greater chance of floating back toward the center and sanity.

    Of course, I'm biased because I think my type is the most awesome.

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    I think NFs are usually crazier than NTs in general. That whole "greater subjectivity" thing.

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    I call it a tie. I don't think crazy has a Fe/Te preference, either one + unstable Ni = nut case.
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    My vote would be for INFJ.
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    Quote Originally Posted by greenfairy View Post
    I vote INTJ. I think an Ni-Fi loop is more conducive to craziness than Ni-Ti. An INTJ will do the following:

    Though the above humorous example can apply to both types, ime INFJ's generally know when their ideas don't exactly correspond to reality, or at least suspect that there is a strong possibility and other people will think they are crazy. INTJ's on the other hand believe that the "normal" people are the crazy ones, and they alone know the secrets of the Universe. Plus, their tertiary loop completely ignores the need for rational explanation, and so their Ni can generate any crazy idea it wants, and the INTJ will just go with it.

    Plus, I think they are more uptight and kinkier, and more prone to being out of inner harmony.

    INFJ's I think are more fluid in their inner world and more openminded, and so I think they have a greater chance of floating back toward the center and sanity.

    Of course, I'm biased because I think my type is the most awesome.
    Interesting information. That line on 'the english method' made me think on the notion of England being overly populated with Si doms after most of the intuitives sought out new horizons in the Americas as put forth in Gift's Differing.

    Not saying I agree or disagree just what it put me in mind of. In any case the broader point of what most constitutes Ni, is the way in which Ni-dominants appear to strip away the literal interpretation of what the object of interest is and instead almost focus entirely upon the immaterial strip of archetypal interpretations...like hollowing something out.

    I think that tendency can develop into someone who is very detached indeed. I'm reluctant to phrase that as 'detached from reality' because that would be buying into a widespread delusion that there is a singular and concrete world, which we all live and share in as opposed to some hunch from the senses that is still distorted by the individual.

    As for INFJ vs INTJ. I personally have met a few rather insane INFJ's and been on the end of at least one myself. But a few people is not a good group to source my evidence from. INTJ's appear more stable but can perhaps be more insane...but it's a more structure insane......which is often more dangerous. Unless of course the person has completely gone of their mental rails but that can happen to anyone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AffirmitiveAnxiety View Post
    Interesting information. That line on 'the english method' made me think on the notion of England being overly populated with Si doms after most of the intuitives sought out new horizons in the Americas as put forth in Gift's Differing.

    Not saying I agree or disagree just what it put me in mind of. In any case the broader point of what most constitutes Ni, is the way in which Ni-dominants appear to strip away the literal interpretation of what the object of interest is and instead almost focus entirely upon the immaterial strip of archetypal interpretations...like hollowing something out.
    Interesting thought! I wondered how it was that some cultures seem to be more dominated by certain functions than others, and that's a plausible explanation, at least for England at one point.

    I agree about Ni.

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