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    Default Bamberg's Possession Theory

    Te: The trust that anything can only survive when it belongs to you
    Fe: The trust that you can only grow when you belong to anything

    Ti: The trust that anything can only survive if it does not belong to you
    Fi: The trust that you can only grow if anything does not belong to you

    Ne: The trust that anything can only grow when it belongs to you
    Se: The trust that you can only survive when anything belongs to you

    Ni: The trust that anything can only grow if it does not belong to you
    Si: The trust that you can only survive if anything does not belong to you


    This matrix is meant to be used as a conceptual tool to better understand how others see the world.
    Your critiques are welcome, but please do make sure to critique the theory along with critiquing me.
    The reason I post this here is to get feedback on the accuracy of my theory, since i'm walking kinda blind on other cognitive function (i'm an introverted feeler)

    Also, a disclaimer; This was not built using Myers Briggs, but rather the root philosophy of types based on Jungian philosophy. So i'm kinda selfish and need my incentive to keep working on this. If it turns out i'm right, i fully intent to copyright


    Edited: based on feedback




    Te: The trust that something can only survive when it depends on you
    Fe: The trust that you can only grow when you depend on something

    Ti: The trust that anything can only survive if it is independent of you
    Fi: The trust that you can only grow if something if independent of you

    Ne: The trust that something can only grow when it depends on you
    Se: The trust that you can only survive when something depends on you

    Ni: The trust that something can only grow if it is independent of you
    Si: The trust that you can only survive if something is independent of you

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    Also, I had posted this theory in a more primitive form elsewhere. This one should be the revised one as of this date, and i hope this post will serve as a record

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    I find the wording ambiguous. For example, let's take the Te one...

    "The trust that anything can only survive when it belongs to you."


    Do you mean that if something belongs to me, the only thing it can do is survive... or, do you mean, the only way something can survive is for it to belong to me? I can read it either way.

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    Literally, it means (in the case of Te alone) that for anything to survive, it must belong to you.

    Te's in my experience tend to be dominant in this manner

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    Quote Originally Posted by bamberg82 View Post
    Literally, it means (in the case of Te alone) that for anything to survive, it must belong to you.

    Te's in my experience tend to be dominant in this manner
    Thanks for the clarification. That's the second one I was trying to say.

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    yeah sure

    I've personally experienced the Te possessiveness so it made sense to me at least

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    Kind of elegant. I quite like it. It does need fleshing out some more though. My opinion:

    Quote Originally Posted by bamberg82 View Post
    Fe: The trust that you can only grow when you belong to anything
    Ti: The trust that anything can only survive if it does not belong to you
    Fi: The trust that you can only grow if anything does not belong to you
    These work very well.

    Se: The trust that you can only survive when anything belongs to you
    Si: The trust that you can only survive if anything does not belong to you
    Ni: The trust that anything can only grow if it does not belong to you
    Not certain about these. Si doesn't sound right. Si's accumulation of past sensory data means that surely they'd trust that they would only survive if this data belonged to them?

    Te: The trust that anything can only survive when it belongs to you
    Ne: The trust that anything can only grow when it belongs to you
    I don't think these work too well. Te is dependent on exterior logical structures thus by definition it needs to not belong to the individual. Could you give an explanation for the Ne description?

    Replacing "anything" with "something" would make it grammatically less strident. Also, please correct me if I'm misunderstanding your theory.

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    Hey

    Se: The trust that you can only survive when anything belongs to you
    Just made sense to me because of the materialist nature of the Se

    Ne: The trust that anything can only grow when it belongs to you
    Ne is my second function, and the reason i wrote this is because i personally have a need to grow (progress) anything that belongs to me.....ideas for instance

    Te: The trust that anything can only survive when it belongs to you
    This made the most sense to me; It explains their possessiveness, it explains their need to control, it explains why a Te businessman will make himself relevant to a business in order to save the business.

    This can still be analytical

    Please note that in all cases thinking and sensing are about the external other, ie, they are external, and feeling and intuition are from the inner self.

    The most difficulty i had was with the Ni and Si, but let me argue for it anyway.

    Ni: The trust that anything can only grow if it does not belong to you

    Example, an idea that does not belong to you. The idea cannot be personal to you. A trust is involved that 'Something' can only grow if it is given its independence, ie, if it does not belong to you


    Si was the most difficult for me to really believe, but i included that definition only because it made the theory elegant and structured.

    But i'll try to argue for it.

    Si: The trust that you can only survive if anything does not belong to you

    I'm trying to understand this, yet find it hard since i'm not at all an Si

    So i tried to imagine why that should be true, and i assume its because The Si feels she can only survive if the 'Something' or 'Anything' is allowed to be objective, that it does not belong to her, independent of her, and that because of this, she can see it for what it is.

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    i edited in the first post based on your feedback to make it more sensible to every type

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    Okay, I see where you are coming from with Se and Te now. Would it then be accurate to say that these connections are created from the resulting behavioural characteristics of the cognitive functions, rather than from the functions per se?

    Quote Originally Posted by bamberg82 View Post
    Ne: The trust that anything can only grow when it belongs to you
    Ne is my second function, and the reason i wrote this is because i personally have a need to grow (progress) anything that belongs to me.....ideas for instance
    I still don't know about this. It seems too subjective. More like Ni actually.

    Ni: The trust that anything can only grow if it does not belong to you

    Example, an idea that does not belong to you. The idea cannot be personal to you. A trust is involved that 'Something' can only grow if it is given its independence, ie, if it does not belong to you
    And that is probably more applicable to Ne, haha. Ni is about subjective interpretation by definition, and has more inherently subjective ideas than does Ne. Perhaps you mean the way Ni users try and look underneath for the "true" meaning.

    Si: The trust that you can only survive if anything does not belong to you

    I'm trying to understand this, yet find it hard since i'm not at all an Si

    So i tried to imagine why that should be true, and i assume its because The Si feels she can only survive if the 'Something' or 'Anything' is allowed to be objective, that it does not belong to her, independent of her, and that because of this, she can see it for what it is.
    But Si isn't about objectivity in the least; collection of subjective sensory data. I can see how having it like this is the only way to preserve the symmetry. But maybe that will have to be sacrificed.

    Finally, I'm curious to know about T & S being external, and F & N being internal.

    i edited in the first post based on your feedback to make it more sensible to every type
    Yeah that looks much better now.

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