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    Quote Originally Posted by msg_v2 View Post
    THANK YOU. I'm not acting the way I am to fit some type. I acted like this before I ever found out about typology. Typology just provided context and an explanation of sorts. It was also nice to realize that I wasn't actually a weirdo, and that I am not in fact a special snowflake. Snowflakes melt.
    Scientology would do the same thing for you, not to mention Christian Science.

    In fact almost any dodgy belief system would do the same thing for you.

    Belief systems specialise in context and explanation. They explain so many things, even ourselves.

    The next step, though, is to criticise the belief system that has colonised you.

    This is emotionally and socially painful as it causes cognitive dissonance and social rejection.

    Instead we can wallow in our arbitary belief system with no truth value.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mole View Post
    Belief systems specialise in context and explanation. They explain so many things, even ourselves.
    And context and explanation is evil. Gotcha. Better to just flit through life like a drunken hummingbird, never learning from your own mistakes or that of those who went before you, because that's just a bummer.

    The next step, though, is to criticise the belief system that has colonised you.
    AGGGH NOT THE C WORD!

    Anyway, I don't ever see you do this for politics. You fail to live up to your own standard, although this does not stop you from imposing it upon others.

    I'm not responding to you in this thread until you pay the troll toll.
    [Trump's] rhetoric is not an abuse of power. In the same way that it's also not against the law to do a backflip off of the roof of your house onto your concrete driveway. It's just mind-numbingly stupid and, to say the least, counterproductive. - Bush did 9-11


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    Quote Originally Posted by msg_v2 View Post
    You fail to live up to your own standard, although this does not stop you from imposing it upon others.
    My hypocrisy is the homage I pay to virtue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by msg_v2 View Post
    I have an odd question about the friends with benefits thing, because I may have had a misconception. I don't know if it's appropriate to ask or not, but it stood out to me.

    Anyway, it seems like the main issue for you with emotional connection is that you're primarily opposed to it when it's not reciprocated. It doesn't seem like you're opposed to it on principal. It seems like you're open to it when you feel it too. Would this be correct? If so, the process makes more sense than I thought previously, where I just assumed that people who did this were opposed to emotional involvement of any kind, which I always found puzzling. In a FWB situation, this is terminated when emotional connection develops because it's not mutual?

    I realize it's a really fuckng weird question, but how else am I going to get an answer?

    I'll need to run this data through my backup processors.
    Lol. I will indulge your Ti.

    Yes, you are correct. Sometimes one or both parties are opposed to it on principle, but it only makes sense to be opposed to something not being reciprocated. The other reason I would be opposed to it would be if I thought we had major points of incompatibility, or wouldn't last long term in a romantic relationship.

    I'm becoming more open to relationships which are less than perfect though, as long as we get along. I'm letting go of finding a soul mate. If the ISFP and I become something, I won't be opposed to it even if we don't have a ton in common, just because it's nice to be with someone. But I certainly am trying to not hope for it, because I need to not psychologically need it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by msg_v2 View Post
    Some people consider classification to be the root of all evil. In some circles, it's trendy to think this way. They prefer being beasts, I suppose. I guess that's fine, but the problem is that they expect the rest of us to clean up the messes they cause.
    Without classification, we wouldn't have biology. We wouldn't be aware of the vast array of species, what their characteristics are, and where they live. We wouldn't have the periodic table of the elements. We wouldn't have tax brackets, or blood types, or gifted programs in schools, or languages and different dialects, or know how reproduction worked because we would lack the concept of gender.
    Quote Originally Posted by msg_v2 View Post
    Obviously all this logic shit is a front hiding some genuine self. This is why appearing "genuine" to others takes so much more work than using this logic. I'm glad we have so many people around to point out that instead of being so pretentious all the time, I can just be "real."
    Lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by greenfairy View Post
    Lol. I will indulge your Ti.
    Thank you. It's a welcome change from being told it's evil, or distant, or useless, or pretentious or a waste of time.


    Yes, you are correct. Sometimes one or both parties are opposed to it on principle, but it only makes sense to be opposed to something not being reciprocated. The other reason I would be opposed to it would be if I thought we had major points of incompatibility, or wouldn't last long term in a romantic relationship.
    That also makes sense.

    I'm becoming more open to relationships which are less than perfect though, as long as we get along. I'm letting go of finding a soul mate. If the ISFP and I become something, I won't be opposed to it even if we don't have a ton in common, just because it's nice to be with someone. But I certainly am trying to not hope for it, because I need to not psychologically need it.
    It is nice just to be with someone. I don't regret my past relationships for that reason, even if I wouldn't repeat them. I dunno, I find that there are certain things I'm tired of always apologizing for. For once I want to try and have something in common with someone.

    Of course, I seem to be really good at pretending that's the case even when it isn't.
    [Trump's] rhetoric is not an abuse of power. In the same way that it's also not against the law to do a backflip off of the roof of your house onto your concrete driveway. It's just mind-numbingly stupid and, to say the least, counterproductive. - Bush did 9-11


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    Quote Originally Posted by greenfairy View Post
    Without classification
    When I went into a print based library, I found a card catalogue. And all the books were classified in the catalogue by card.

    Today when I go into a RAM based library, I find a computer instead of the card catalogue. And the computer is not based on print, it is based on Random Access Memory.

    In other words classification is now the content of Random Access Memory.

    But as we drive forward we are still looking in the rear vision mirror of classification of people, when conversation with real people in real time is rushing towards us through the windshield of Random Access Memory.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mole View Post
    When I went into a print based library, I found a card catalogue. And all the books were classified in the catalogue by card.

    Today when I go into a RAM based library, I find a computer instead of the card catalogue. And the computer is not based on print, it is based on Random Access Memory.

    In other words classification is now the content of Random Access Memory.

    But as we drive forward we are still looking in the rear vision mirror of classification of people, when conversation with real people in real time is rushing towards us through the windshield of Random Access Memory.
    You don't know what Random Access Memory is. Moreover, most of the data is stored on a hard disk most of the time, not random access memory. Furthermore, within the hard drive, classification still exists. It exists in the human-readable data, and exists on every level down to the 1s and 0s.

    I assure you RAM (or hard disks, which seems to be what you're referring to) would not be possible without classification.
    [Trump's] rhetoric is not an abuse of power. In the same way that it's also not against the law to do a backflip off of the roof of your house onto your concrete driveway. It's just mind-numbingly stupid and, to say the least, counterproductive. - Bush did 9-11


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mole View Post
    When I went into a print based library, I found a card catalogue. And all the books were classified in the catalogue by card.

    Today when I go into a RAM based library, I find a computer instead of the card catalogue. And the computer is not based on print, it is based on Random Access Memory.

    In other words classification is now the content of Random Access Memory.

    But as we drive forward we are still looking in the rear vision mirror of classification of people, when conversation with real people in real time is rushing towards us through the windshield of Random Access Memory.
    I'm not following this. Is RAM based on classification?
    Edit: Oh, @msg_v2 already answered my question as I was typing.

    Whatever. Your posts are poetry, and I should stop trying to make sense of them. They have lovely Fi-Ni meaningfulness. For people who like that kind of thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by msg_v2 View Post
    You don't know what random access memory is. Moreover, most of the data is stored on a hard disk most of the time, not random access memory. Furthermore, within the hard drive, classification still exists. It exists in the human-readable data, and exists on every level down to the 1s and 0s.

    I assure you RAM (or hard disks, which seems to be what you're referring to) would not be possible without classification.
    Quite so.

    But the difference now is that classification is now the content of RAM just as theatre is now the content of movies.

    But look, classification, particularly the classification of people, is starting to look old fashioned and ugly, and out of touch with the electric world we live in.

    Classification is no longer cool, classification is so yesterday.

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