Ne-users and Absurdism

[Stansmith]

Oooh, I like what everybody's said so far, but Stansmith, you've really given me some gems to ponder about!



Yes, I was almost wondering the same thing! Introverted Intuition is almost like Introverted Feeling in some ways, because it's so visceral and difficult to put into literal words. For instance, as a very young child I remember one time having to choose between wanting to accompany my mom or my dad on their errands, because I knew that if I chose one, then I would hurt the other's feelings. I remember getting a really strong mental vision of what might happen if I split myself in half down the center of my body, so that one half of me could accompany my mom, holding her hand and hopping around on one leg, while the other could do the same with my dad while they each did their separate errands. Hell, the vision had its own orchestrated music accompanying it, something that I remember even to this day; it was a brisk and frenetic piece that kept changing keys and sounded like it would come out of movie like The Great Mouse Detective. Only a few seconds into the visison, I realized that my eyes and ears would be seeing and hearing two separate things at once, and that the situation would be way too overwhelming for me to be able to bear. That vision stuck with me for a long time, and I can't really explain how it's affected the way I view certain concepts, like being in two places at once...but I couldn't have been older that 3 or 4 at the time it happened and I still remember it to this day, so it must have had a profound impact.



I think you might be right about this one too! Such absurdism seems to be more common on the internet than anywhere else, I've noticed, but TV shows like Adventure Time are starting to pick up on it (but it's always existed even in old Loony Tunes 'toons!)

Yup. Ne is fast-paced and tangential, while Ni sticks to one weird idea and expands it. That's not to say I couldn't do what you just described, but I'd imagine I'd have to be really high to go to that deep into it. My imagination would go:

"What if I just split myself in half, then I'd be able to do everything at once. I'd be able to do alot of things at once. The two halves would just form into 2 wholes. But which one would I be? Lol, whatever."

 

[prplchknz]

Yup. Ne is fast-paced and tangential, while Ni sticks to one weird idea and expands it.

I do both of these things.

 

[Typh0n]

i don't get you. but you probably don't get me so its win/win

Yes, Id say you're pretty much right, I cant read you either.

 

[prplchknz]

Yes, Id say you're pretty much right, I cant read you either.

good because my words are sensitive salted wounds, and i don't know you well enough to expose them to you. nah that sounded emo lol. sorry i'm actually straight forward with most things. unless i think what i'm gonna say might get me shot or something.

 

[Typh0n]

good because my words are sensitive salted wounds, and i don't know you well enough to expose them to you. nah that sounded emo lol. sorry i'm actually straight forward with most things. unless i think what i'm gonna say might get me shot or something.

Since we're on the subject, what I dont get about you is simply your tone, or at least how I perceive it; Im not sure if you're serious when you say something or not, like when right in this post you say "my words are sensitive salted wounds" then say it sounds too emo...why do you say that lol? Although I admit its hard to tell tone through text, nor am I asking you to change. Im just saying what I dont get.

 

[prplchknz]

Since we're on the subject, what I dont get about you is simply your tone, or at least how I perceive it; Im not sure if you're serious when you say something or not, like when right in this post you say "my words are sensitive salted wounds" then say it sounds too emo...why do you say that lol? Although I admit its hard to tell tone through text, nor am I asking you to change. Im just saying what I dont get.

that sounds too emo, is an indication that i was making a joke

 

[Southern Kross]

Ni

This is creepy, am I even supposed to be watching this? What does this mean? What kind of opiates is this man taking?

Ne

Quirky stuff there. Quirky stuff here. More quirky stuff.

I'm unable to view the clips myself (internet problems) but I agree with your assessments of Ni weirdness. However, Tarantino is totally a Se-user not Ne. Se has it's own brand of quirk too, but it's different from the Ne kind.

Ne examples of absurdity I would cite would be more along the lines of Alice's Adventures in Wonderland, a lot of Monty Python, Mark Twain, Oscar Wilde, The Colbert Report, Flight of the Conchords, and Charlie Kaufman films (eg. Being John Malkovich, Adaptation, Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind).

 

[SD45T-2]

a lot of Monty Python

Especially Terry Gilliam cartoons.

 

[Thursday]

dolphin-ately. for sharks.

 

[OrangeAppled]

I'm unable to view the clips myself (internet problems) but I agree with your assessments of Ni weirdness. However, Tarantino is totally a Se-user not Ne. Se has it's own brand of quirk too, but it's different from the Ne kind.

Ne examples of absurdity I would cite would be more along the lines of Alice's Adventures in Wonderland, a lot of Monty Python, Mark Twain, Oscar Wilde, The Colbert Report, Flight of the Conchords, and Charlie Kaufman films (eg. Being John Malkovich, Adaptation, Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind).

I've always wondered why Tarantino is typed Ne-dom (perhaps cuz he's e7?)... I think he is Se-dom also. Pe types in general are non-linear & random though.

There is a specific kind of absurdity that I associate with Ne also. It's beyond "quirk".

A lot of ESxJs use Ne in their humor (that's mainly how I see them use it), being the tertiary relief. When they get goofy, it can be very Ne. Tangents which don't combine into some whole, bigger picture is more indicative of inferior Ne though. SJs do these linear tangents, where one idea leads to the next but it doesn't all relate in the end. Ne types, when given long enough, will bring it all back around to show how it ALL connects & forms a larger idea.

 

[Society]

For some reason, every time I think of Extraverted Intuition (Ne), my mind always goes to people devising absurdist scenarios by mixing strange things together, coming up with things such as "vampire unicorns" and "robot ninja dinosaurs" or "nazi pirates". Perhaps this is because all of my friends who utilize Ne as one of their dominant functions have expressed this sort of absurdism themselves.

I myself am mildly amused by trying to imagine such combinations; but through virtue of my more Introverted use of Intuition, my mind usually ends up trying to imagine such ideas in the context of a meaningful plot and story (I think this is because my Introverted Intuition creates little videos or pictures in my mind that capture the essence of the ideas I'm thinking about, which is why I want to go into some form of visual storytelling as a career.)

Do you think such willingness to enjoy and follow through with such ideas an indicator of Ne-usage?

that is just how Ne works - it takes patterns and synthesizes them with other patterns, a big DNA splicer in the back of your head.

while it might seem absurd, it has nothing to do btw with absurdism.

 

[Southern Kross]

while it might seem absurd, it has nothing to do btw with absurdism.

I think it's actually mean to be Absurdity. Personally, I had no knowledge of the philosophical implications of the term.

 

[Siúil a Rúin]

Alot of ESxP's fake Ne humor alot nowadays too. It's trendy. Look at the type of humor that's being used in all social media now.

It seems like when Se does this it is more visceral and can focus more on juxtapositions than connections. It is the focus on contrast that creates a startling shock or sensation. I'm really familiar with Ne-doms who have this sort of creativity and they manage to find ways to actually connect absurdly different concepts. It combines juxtaposition with at least one element of integration. It is a mental game and a real head-trip.

I know Fi-doms who construct stories with extremely diverse elements, but that integrate on some level to emphasize a sense of meaning.

Ni can be absurdist, but you could think of it more as avoiding mixed metaphors. It's larger scales and more deeply integrated. Edit: There is a guy who has made his rounds online who has an issue that goes beyond Ni, but he provides a good extreme example of integrated absurdity. Harrie Christus and his elaborate theory about the micro-mini-people that build tiny spaceships that comprise atoms and all of matter. I can't find his website anymore, but his theory attempts to explain all of reality. There's more to it than that, and he seems really sincere and a quiet soul. I think he could actually be a Ni-dom, although he has other issues he deals with internally.

 

[WALMART]

After years of listening to my INFP sister and her INFP friend scream "god isn't real" at random passerbys, chant the same phrases ad infinitum as loud as possible, and generally conduct themselves without a scrap of regard towards the external world, I've come to understand the territory of Ne.

It is certainly absurd.

 

[Dancing_Queen]

For some reason, every time I think of Extraverted Intuition (Ne), my mind always goes to people devising absurdist scenarios by mixing strange things together, coming up with things such as "vampire unicorns" and "robot ninja dinosaurs" or "nazi pirates". Perhaps this is because all of my friends who utilize Ne as one of their dominant functions have expressed this sort of absurdism themselves.

I myself am mildly amused by trying to imagine such combinations; but through virtue of my more Introverted use of Intuition, my mind usually ends up trying to imagine such ideas in the context of a meaningful plot and story (I think this is because my Introverted Intuition creates little videos or pictures in my mind that capture the essence of the ideas I'm thinking about, which is why I want to go into some form of visual storytelling as a career.)

Do you think such willingness to enjoy and follow through with such ideas an indicator of Ne-usage?

I've been called a great storyteller before and have a vivid imagination, but it doesn't involve childish things or unicorns. The thing is that starting from the "scene" boom around '07 a lot of people, not only teenagers but adults too, got obsessed with the "random" concept. The amount of obviously made up dialogue post with "PURPLE HIPPOS!" in them I had to scroll through is no joke

It's pretty clear if you use Tumblr on a regular basis and also in personality forums like this one and others, being ENFP/ENTP is a desired prize. Both types are said to be rare, yet Tumblr, TypologyCentral and PersonalityCafe are busting with ENFPs, ENTPs and the Ni drivens INTJs.

I agree with [MENTION=18664]Stansmith[/MENTION], a lot of people from other types fake being Ne driven. It's such a shame, doing a disservice to your own personality. Great video examples too, that Kill Bill scene is one of my favorites

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

After years of listening to my INFP sister and her INFP friend scream "god isn't real" at random passerbys, chant the same phrases ad infinitum as loud as possible, and generally conduct themselves without a scrap of regard towards the external world, I've come to understand the territory of Ne.

It is certainly absurd.

I feel your pain, actually.

 

[Dancing_Queen]

After years of listening to my INFP sister and her INFP friend scream "god isn't real" at random passerbys, chant the same phrases ad infinitum as loud as possible, and generally conduct themselves without a scrap of regard towards the external world, I've come to understand the territory of Ne.

It is certainly absurd.

Never seen any stable person of any type pulling this kind of stunt. It seems to be fairly ordinary though, based on how often I've seen ESFPs being described as doing such things while I was still unsure of weather I was one and reading forum threads like crazy. Since sensors do it too, I doubt it's a "Ne thing". I can't even imagine myself or my INFP mother doing it.

Scary

 

[WALMART]

Never seen any stable person of any type pulling this kind of stunt. It seems to be fairly ordinary though, based on how often I've seen ESFPs being described as doing such things while I was still unsure of weather I was one and reading forum threads like crazy. Since sensors do it too, I doubt it's a "Ne thing". I can't even imagine myself or my INFP mother doing it.

Scary

Is it not an Ne thing?

I don't know. It got its reputation as being a crazy function for a reason, even if what I've read from Jung were irrelevant and all we had to go on was 'common knowledge'.

Ne is like the consciousness untethered. I don't think many would disagree with that statement. This quality extends into the social realm. It can really act without regard to the systems it's in, and what's weird is that Jung explicity places this quality on Ne and not Se.

Yet Se has the reputation it does...

Like usual in life - Memes 1, Facts 0

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

Is it not an Ne thing?

I don't know. It got its reputation as being a crazy function for a reason, even if what I've read from Jung were irrelevant and all we had to go on was 'common knowledge'.

Ne is like the consciousness untethered. I don't think many would disagree with that statement. This quality extends into the social realm. It can really act without regard to the systems it's in, and what's weird is that Jung explicity places this quality on Ne and not Se.

I look at Ne as being global, and Se as being local. Maybe you consider that to be reiterating the "big picture" thing you so despise, but wouldn' t you agree that Ne seems less "in the moment"? I think Ne seems random because it's less confined to the immediate environment.

 

[Dancing_Queen]

Is it not an Ne thing?

I don't know. It got its reputation as being a crazy function for a reason, even if what I've read from Jung were irrelevant and all we had to go on was 'common knowledge'.

Ne is like the consciousness untethered. I don't think many would disagree with that statement. This quality extends into the social realm. It can really act without regard to the systems it's in, and what's weird is that Jung explicity places this quality on Ne and not Se.

Yet Se has the reputation it does...

Like usual in life - Memes 1, Facts 0

The keyword in your post is reputation .

I think you're focusing too much on theory and too little on actual people. Your information on Ne is spot on, but nobody is a cognitive function, no matter how often we use it.

I'm an ENFP with high social skills, and one who hates rudeness and attention whoring even in the slightest way. But two out of four ESFPs I now and one ESTP fit the description you posted.

Dealing with real life examples of personality types definitely shows Jung was right in telling people to not take his theories too seriously