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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainChick View Post
    Lol, and we ENPs are the paradigm of sanity!
    Of course. Apparent insanity (Ne) is nothing compared to actual insanity (Ni). You ought to know that by now.
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    Welcome to Sunnyside Mondo's Avatar
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    Gifted/Norm Ratio
    INTP: 3.40
    INTJ: 2.87
    INFP: 2.68
    INFJ: 2.67
    ENTP: 2.32
    ENFP: 2.03
    ENTJ: 1.49
    ENFJ: 1.26
    ISTJ: .987
    ISTP: .776
    ESTP: .492
    ISFJ: .400
    ISFP: .398
    ESFP: .281
    ESTJ: .260
    ESFJ: .237

    I'm not surprised to see that there's a similar percentage of gifted and norm for ISTJ- this was the one type I saw A LOT of at my gifted school- MBTI iNtuitive elitists may want to argue some of these people are INTJ's but SJ fits a mile better than NT- lol.

    Here's what I was thinking..
    IN- highest ratio
    EN-2nd highest
    IS-3rd highest
    ES-lowest

    ..but those wily ESTP's proved my hypothesis untrue.. haha!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Haphazard View Post
    Of course. Apparent insanity (Ne) is nothing compared to actual insanity (Ni). You ought to know that by now.
    So true, yours (Ni doms) are the only type that make me feel a combination of... , :horor: , , , ,and .

    In other words, yeah, you guys really are batshit insane.

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    To expand on Mondo's post...

    Since being "ENFP" and "Gifted" obviously aren't independent, you'd have to use Bayes' Theorem.

    E.g.

    P(Gifted | ENFP) = P(ENFP|Gifted)*P(Gifted) / P(ENFP)

    Because

    P(ENFP and Gifted) = P(ENFP|Gifted)*P(Gifted).

    Assuming that the probability of being gifted is 0.05, the probability of a student being gifted given that they are an ENFP would be

    P(Gifted | ENFP) = (.1545)(0.05) / (0.076)
    P(Gifted | ENFP) = 0.1016 = 10.16&#37;

    And for all the types, this gives:

    P(Gifted | XXXX) = P(XXXX|Gifted) / P(XXXX) * P(Gifted)

    If you notice, the term P(XXXX|Gifted) / P(XXXX) is exactly what's in Mondo's table.

    So if you just take Mondo's table and multiply by the probability that any old student is in the gifted program, you get the probabilities that a person of type XXXX is "gifted", at least using data from CC's table and a source I found saying 5% of a school is in the gifted program...

    P(Gifted | INTP) = 16.99%
    P(Gifted | INTJ) = 14.37%
    P(Gifted | INFP) = 13.38%
    P(Gifted | INFJ) = 13.35%
    P(Gifted | ENTP) = 11.61%
    P(Gifted | ENFP) = 10.16%
    P(Gifted | ENTJ) = 7.43%
    P(Gifted | ENFJ) = 6.3%
    P(Gifted | ISTJ) = 4.93%
    P(Gifted | ISTP) = 3.88%
    P(Gifted | ESTP) = 2.46%
    P(Gifted | ISFJ) = 2%
    P(Gifted | ISFP) = 1.99%
    P(Gifted | ESFP) = 1.4%
    P(Gifted | ESTJ) = 1.3%
    P(Gifted | ESFJ) = 1.18%

    Anyway, that's the basic interpretation of Mondo's table. You can adjust for different percentages of a school enrolled in a gifted program, but it won't change the ranking at all.

    Edit:

    So as not to confuse anyone, what Mondo gave was the likelihood that someone was gifted given that you already knew what type they were. The data CC gave was the opposite: the probability that someone who you already knew was gifted was of a certain type.

    Mondo's table showed that, of all the types, the likelihood of an INTP being gifted was highest; and CC's table showed that, if you had a class of gifted students, you'll have more ENFPs than any other type. The discrepancy comes from there being more ENFPs in the general population.
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    and each post catered to their own type
    like we have yet to see that done
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    Quote Originally Posted by AvereX View Post
    and each post catered to their own type
    like we have yet to see that done
    *I* don't know what *you* are talking about.

    *I* never partake in such a thing.

    It goes against our *ENFP* self-effacing style of grace, compassion and empathy!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by AvereX View Post
    and each post catered to their own type
    like we have yet to see that done

    I actually pointed out that ESFJs have amongst the lowest percentages of very high IQs (well, I asked, because I thought I had seen that before, but wasn't certain). Not really catering to my type. At least, not in a positive manner.

    Here is where my post caters to me: I WAS in all the gifted classes, and my IQ has been measured in the 150s.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AvereX View Post
    and each post catered to their own type
    like we have yet to see that done
    :steam: since when did I say INFPs are geniuses? where where where tell me, because I didn't think I said that. My brother who is an ESTP has a higher IQ then myself, so I don't think this crap about only Ns being geniuses is true, maybe I'm wrong but I think S types are just as capable as N types. I think I posted the lowest iq score on here, if I wanted to make INFPs to appear like geniuses don't you think I'd have lied about my score?

    and yes I know not all Ns are geniuses and some Ss are all I just don't think preference nesseceraly correlates to whether or not ones a genius
    In no likes experiment.

    that is all

    i dunno what else to say so

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    Heh, what those probabilities do is show how weak the IQ test is to begin with. The original purpose of IQ tests was to indicate which children would be most likely to be successful as adults. As nemo points out P(Gifted | ESTJ) = 1.3%, second to last, which is funny because ESTJ as a type is naturally geared toward being successful. Hard work and diligence have a lot to do with long term success and ESTJ's have these traits in spades.

    I think you could say that when comparing two people of the same type, then IQ is an indicator of success. An ESTJ of IQ 110 is more likely to succeed than an ESTJ of IQ 100. But when comparing two different types I think IQ results become less and less of an indicator of success. Is an ENFP of IQ 110 really as likely to succeed as an ESTJ of IQ 110? I don't think so. In fact I'd say an ESTJ of IQ 100 is more likely to succeed than an ENFP of IQ 110.

    Then there is the argument people make that IQ is a measure of intelligence. How do you define intelligence? IQ tests only measure certain aptitudes. Mozart might not have done very well on an IQ test since most don't measure musical ability, even though when it came to music he was clearly a genius. Music is just one of many abilities not measured: mechanical ability, craftsmanship, painting, etc.... It's hard to argue that IQ tests measure all mental ability as a whole.

    Overall what IQ tests seem to measure is the ability to do well on IQ tests. Sure doing well on an IQ test does indicate that a person is intelligent, but it should be weighted with the knowledge that it doesn't give the whole story of a person's intellect.
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