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    Quote Originally Posted by Stansmith View Post
    I'm a huge prude. Whenever I walk into a new classroom, I have practically no interest in chatting with anyone unless I find them physically attractive. I've never been a "leader", a "bro" or "the life of the party" either, I've always been an independent behind the scenes person. I could never relate to this description of ENFPs as these "bright" social butterflies who engage everybody, I'm only like that sometimes, in which case I only engage people I find interesting. I'm not an active engager or initiator when in big groups, I'm mainly observant and behind the scenes (like most introverts, but it could be E6-cautiousness) when thing's are boring, and then loosen up once the fun's begun. I have very few deep relationships (wish I had more) and have maybe have 2 people that text me consistently. In highschool absolutely noone would see me as an extrovert except for a few people. I had a few friends that I drove absolutely crazy and would NOT leave alone, but to everyone else I was the ultimate introvert (I was very socially anxious at the time).

    The one thing that I feel makes me an ENFP is that I have the mind of a hedonist; I make crude jokes, I like random hook ups, I like violent popcorn movies, everything I think about and enjoy is surface-value stuff and how they relate to one another. I barely think about morality or feely stuff and I'm pretty uncomfortable dwelling deep into my emotions and kind of find the topic cringe-worthy most of the time. Also, when around any introverts or someone I really like, I'm an absolute nut who dominates conversation. I can even dominate conversation when talking to my ESTP friend and make him laugh every 2 seconds, but a random ESTP I barely know? Hell no.

    I tend to withdraw alot (I go straight home after school ends most of the time) and can maybe handle 2 hours of boring socializing tops. If I'm having lots of fun though, I'll hang around all day.

    I'm either really gentle, sad-looking and soft-spoken, or really brash, boy-ish and slightly bubbly (more domineering and virile around people I'm comfortable with). I'm confusing as sh-t. I also have an easier time connection with girls and intuitive/feeler/light-hearted guys than serious earthy macho dudes.

    So what do you think I'm an ENFP, or a sociable INFP?
    Well based on what you've said, Introvert seems obvious.

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    How does ENFP Te-Si look compared to INFP Si-Te? When sh-t hits the fan I don't go guns-ablazing yelling at people like stereotypical ENFP-Te, but I can quickly come up with an idea to solve or alleviate the problem (whether I follow through with it exactly or not is a different story). When it comes to emotional or self-confidence related issues I'm more SiFi-ish and complacent.

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    ENFP/ESTJ: Ne/Te or Te/Ne--Borderline Personality Disorder.

    The ENFP I described above may have been one of these types. They simultaneously desire to control and dazzle others with their extraordinary leadership and grandiose performances. For the ENFP, this tends to take the form of insisting on consistent, scheduled attention from others for his/her artistic or creative gifts, while for the ESTJ it tends to manifest itself in terms of indignation when others refuse to follow every detail of the user's "visionary" leadership style. This combination, ironically, makes the user extremely dependent upon others for meaning, never really finding a sense of internal balance, no matter how hard he works to create and delegate. While Te leads these types to desire structure and discipline, Ne continually contradicts it by insisting on impulsive displays of creative freedom. Often self-denigrating over the inability to control Ne's impulsive explorations, Te will go to any lengths to keep the user in a position of power and influence, where others must defer to his authority.*

    If Fi/Si were doing its job, these types would recognize that what they're looking for cannot be found outside themselves--they must learn to sometimes live for themselves and only themselves, and forget about external results for a moment.
    INFP/ISTJ: Fi/Si or Si/Fi--Avoidant Personality Disorder.

    Often scarred by some intensely negative past experience with opening up too many of their private emotions, this type compulsively avoids social situations and interaction with others. They are fiercely sensitive and may exaggerate or misconstrue perceived negative emotional intent in the words or actions of others. They will sometimes project their negative feelings onto others (Fi), as Si tells them that if I were to behave this way, I would have to be very upset, so anyone who behaves that way must also be. These types often have a chronic problem with trusting the intentions or motivations of others, refusing to share private information with even their closest friends and family. They are so deeply sensitive that they refuse to risk being hurt by attempting deep connections with others--you'll see this a lot in ISTJs with Asperger's. If Ne/Te were doing its job, these types would maintain a heathy grip on the importance of letting go of the past and trying something new in the name of accomplishing a greater goal, but some of these remain total recluses for most (if not all) of their lives.

    If Ne/Te were doing its job, these types would maintain a heathy grip on the importance of letting go of the past and trying something new in the name of accomplishing a greater goal, but some of these remain total recluses for most (if not all) of their lives.


    I relate to both issues. I was Si-Fi the first 2 years of highschool and have been for the past few months, whereas I was more Ne-Te attention and approval-seeking (without the Te-bitchslap or blunt-nastiness) for most of the past 3 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stansmith View Post
    How does ENFP Te-Si look compared to INFP Si-Te? When sh-t hits the fan I don't go guns-ablazing yelling at people like stereotypical ENFP-Te, but I can quickly come up with an idea to solve or alleviate the problem (whether I follow through with it exactly or not is a different story). When it comes to emotional or self-confidence related issues I'm more SiFi-ish and complacent.
    One of INFP's biggest leverage points for personal development is in Ne. If they don't feel secure and resourceful they can tend to lean more into Si, which often results a rebellious attitude, but sticking to what's comfortable and familiar. Healthy INFPs will grow by experimentation and exploration.

    ENFPs naturally swim in Ne. They're exploring and trying new things in a way that's as ingrained as breathing air. Si for them, can be experienced as an uncomfortable to terrifying feeling of being trapped by the world or external structures or as an influx of, or tendency to dwell on, painful memories. This usually comes out during extreme stress.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HelenOfTroy View Post
    I love the attachment painting someone posted. It had so much nature. It also had the sky meeting a breeze and forests and it seemed lacking in clarity whilst being perfectly clear at the same time. Maybe like a crystal ball going in and out of focus.
    I missed this earlier... and am quoting now in order to say I was almost spooked because this was exactly what I saw as well. The only difference was I imagined those lens that science instructor's use to refract light...as opposed to a crystal ball...(I like crystal ball better as well.)


    Quote Originally Posted by Lady X View Post
    omg do you actually know my parents were infj/enfp?!!?? or was that a guess?? my dad was the enfp tho
    I don't remember how I knew your parents were an INFJ/ENFP couple but I'm assuming you have spoken about it here before As an interesting aside...I sometimes like to pretend that gromit and tinker are my parents haha!


    Quote Originally Posted by Magic Qwan View Post
    My father was ENFP, but he died…
    I admit, I have heard one irl example to the contrary... but other than that from everything I've been told I can only conclude...when the universe is assigning you the ENFP dad... that's a sure sign you are blessed and quite close to obtaining nirvana.

    I recently told this story to an INTJ member here... I was probably around your age and went along with a group of people/friends to a Hallmark store as they were all intent on purchasing a Father's Day card. <--Now this was something I had never done before (and have never done since)...for my INTJ father as he only ever wants food and will say things like..."Ah don't get me any of that other bullshit...just make me >insert food item<." An additional reason for never stepping foot into a Hallmark on behalf of my father is because they literally do not make greeting cards for INTJ fathers. If your father is Halla or Qlip or tinker... there will be a card there for you...and it will say stuff like... "Dad, you've always been there for me...to lift me up and support me when I needed it."

    Ummm... every one that I had gone to the Hallmark with that day...had selected a card for their normal father and had purchased it. While I stood there with like 20 cards in my arms...cards on the floor, etc. and the room started spinning and the walls started to close in on me... I just couldn't find that one card that said... "Dad, remember when you attempted to support me by reminding me, again, that there is no God or meaning to Life so why worry 'cause 'who's going to give a shit 100 years from now?'...Yah, that would have been helpful if it hadn't threaten to destroy the very fabric of my entire existence..." <--No cards say this kind of sentiment...so I left empty handed.

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    As for the functions test... no, I wasn't provided a type...and yes, I thought the questions were pretty bad... but I can't deny that it gave me accurate results. But Standsmith... here's another functions tests that you may want to take. This test was given to us by Zarathustra... and is from this ENFP thread. Now, some people weren't all that happy with their results for this one as well... but this is just how these things go.
    Last edited by Starry; 07-29-2013 at 02:00 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Starry View Post
    I missed this earlier... and am quoting now in order to say I was almost spooked because this was exactly what I saw as well. The only difference was I imagined those lens that science instructor's use to refract light...as opposed to a crystal ball...(I like crystal ball better as well.)




    I don't remember how I knew your parents were an INFJ/ENFP couple but I'm assuming you have spoken about it here before As an interesting aside...I sometimes like to pretend that gromit and tinker are my parents haha!




    I admit, I have heard one irl example to the contrary... but other than that from everything I've be told I can only conclude...when the universe is assigning you the ENFP dad... that's a sure sign you are blessed and quite close to obtaining nirvana.

    I recently told this story to an INTJ member here... I was probably around your age and went along with a group of people/friends to a Hallmark store as they were all intent on purchasing a Father's Day card. <--Now this was something I had never done before (and have never done since)...for my INTJ father as he only ever wants food and will say things like..."Ah don't get me any of that other bullshit...just make me >insert food item<." An additional reason for never stepping foot into a Hallmark on behalf of my father is because they literally do not make greeting cards for INTJ fathers. If your father is Halla or Qlip or tinker... there will be a card there for you...and it will say stuff like... "Dad, you've always been there for me...to lift me up and support me when I needed it."

    Ummm... every one that I had gone to the Hallmark with that day...had selected a card for their normal father and had purchased it. While I stood there with like 20 cards in my arms...cards on the floor, etc. and the room started spinning and the walls started to close in on me... I just couldn't find that one card that said... "Dad, remember when you attempted to support me by reminding me, again, that there is no God or meaning to Life so why worry 'cause 'who's going to give a shit 100 years from now?'...Yah, that would have been helpful if it hadn't threaten to destroy the very fabric of my entire existence..." <--No cards say this kind of sentiment...so I left empty handed.

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    As for the functions test... no, I wasn't provided a type...and yes, I thought the questions were pretty bad... but I can't deny that it gave me accurate results. But Standsmith... here's another functions tests that you may want to take. This test was given to us by Zarathustra... and is from this ENFP thread. Now, some people weren't all that happy with their results for this one as well... but this is just how these things go.
    i've been in a test taking mood lately so thanks.
    this one gave more typical results for me...and i absolutely feel like if i weren't enfp i would be infp first then entp.

    Cognitive Process Level of Development (Preference, Skill and Frequency of Use)
    extraverted Sensing (Se) *********************** (23.1)
    limited use
    introverted Sensing (Si) ************* (13.8)
    unused
    extraverted Intuiting (Ne) ************************************************** (50.5)
    excellent use
    introverted Intuiting (Ni) *********************************** (35.3)
    good use
    extraverted Thinking (Te) ******************** (20.8)
    limited use
    introverted Thinking (Ti) ******************** (20.2)
    limited use
    extraverted Feeling (Fe) **************************** (28.3)
    average use
    introverted Feeling (Fi) *********************************************** (47.4)
    excellent use

    Summary Analysis of Profile
    By focusing on the strongest configuration of cognitive processes, your pattern of responses most closely matches individuals of this type: ENFP

    Lead (Dominant) Process
    Extraverted Intuiting (Ne): Exploring the emerging patterns. Wondering about patterns of interaction across various situations. Checking what hypotheses and meanings fit best. Trusting what emerges as you shift a situation’s dynamics.

    Support (Auxilliary) Process
    Introverted Feeling (Fi): Staying true to who you really are. Paying close attention to your personal identity, values and beliefs. Checking with your conscience. Choosing behavior congruent with what is important to you.

    If these cognitive processes don't fit well then consider these types: INFP, or ENTP
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    -Jim Morrison

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic Qwan View Post

    Have you tried study abroad? Different countries have different standards for behavior and what is considered normal psychology. In Ireland and New Zealand, for example, ENFP is in the majority, and thus…ENFP is what everyone strives to be…
    Where in the world did you get the idea that NZ was a nation for and of ENFPs? Personal and the only statistical evidence I’ve ever seen point to that not being the case at all.
    “Brighter, now brighter, pay no mind to those who squint, burn with all your heat.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trollogo View Post
    Where in the world did you get the idea that NZ was a nation for and of ENFPs? Personal and the only statistical evidence I’ve ever seen point to that not being the case at all.
    Some website…

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic Qwan View Post
    @Stansmith

    Have you tried study abroad? Different countries have different standards for behavior and what is considered normal psychology. In Ireland and New Zealand, for example, ENFP is in the majority, and thus…ENFP is what everyone strives to be…
    There isn't country on the planet where ENFPs are in the majority. Not even close. The 16 types balance each other out. A country made up of mostly ENFPs wouldn't last very long.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ScottJames View Post
    There isn't country on the planet where ENFPs are in the majority. Not even close. The 16 types balance each other out. A country made up of mostly ENFPs wouldn't last very long.

    Demographics is not what is being discussed here. In other words, no one here is attempting to identify the nation with 'the greatest number of ENFPs' as we all know Atlantis was swallowed by the sea hundreds of years ago. What is being referenced is an overall typing of a nation's culture...which isn't necessarily an uncommon or unheard-of practice by any means.

    For example, Italian culture is generally typed as ESFP (I've also seen it typed as ENFP...and by sheer coincidence I am Italian and am ENFP.) Here are a couple of little travel blurbs on Italian culture... does anything read like an ESFP description?

    Of course it is not possible to apply a definite mindset to the entire population of Italy; however, a few common traits do seem to be evident in many Italians. In general Italian people come across as having quite a relaxed attitude towards life and being self assured. Italian people are also known for being very expressive of their emotions and this shows both in their propensity for world renowned art as well as what can often be a short temper.
    Italians generally are effusive in their public behavior. There is a great deal of public embracing and kissing upon greeting people. It is also polite to sit close to people and to interact by lightly touching people on the arms. Italian gazes are intense. It is felt that someone who cannot look you in the eyes is trying to hide something. Elders expect and get respect. They enter a room first. Men stand for women and youngsters for adults. Children tend to be used to run errands and help any adult, certainly any adult in the family. Gazing intently at strangers is common, and Italians expect to be looked at in public. Italians have little respect for lines and generally push their way to the front. There is great care given to preserving one's bella figura, dignity. Violating another's sense of self–importance is a dangerous activity.
    I'm totally cracking up at that last line...'Violating another's sense of self–importance is a dangerous activity.' <--I'm not sure it gets any more Fi than this.

    Anyway, the times I've been in Italy...I feel that. I realize I'm not the best example since this is my cultural heritage as well...and is why I hope for Stansmith and Magic Qwan to travel to Italy and report back... but I feel more comfortable there. I feel like I'm at ease in Italy in a way I do not in the United States...because the features of my personality are more acceptable there. If I'm late? 'Cosa importa eh?' If I get emotional... 'Non ho bisogno di nascondere il mio volto.' I can love big in Italy and it's 'pura libertà!'

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