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    Quote Originally Posted by skylights View Post
    You do come across as almost cp 6, interestingly enough.
    Yes. I've had many people tell me I'm CP6, probably because I have the inner tranquility of a thousand great apes in choir. I associate this with the seven wing and the sp blindspot.

    I'm also apparently "adorable" which is apparently not a permitted trait in 8's.

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    Can you make a video in which you get angry, and post it here? Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SolitaryWalker View Post
    I am an INTP, so does that mean I never use Fi? E is not part of my four letter MBTI code, so does that mean that whatever holds true about extroverts does not hold true about me?

    Whether or not someone apologizes or not depends on the context or the beliefs about etiquette they may hold.
    Absolutely. Also, regarding an individual's beliefs and contexts about etiquette, some will adhere to it, others rebel, and others somewhat indifferent to whatever they think people are supposed to do in terms of apology.

    In MBTI terms, would that imply that Fe would tend to adhere more than other functions to whatever the social conventions are about apologizing?
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    Quote Originally Posted by fia View Post
    Absolutely. Also, regarding an individual's beliefs and contexts about etiquette, some will adhere to it, others rebel, and others somewhat indifferent to whatever they think people are supposed to do in terms of apology.

    In MBTI terms, would that imply that Fe would tend to adhere more than other functions to whatever the social conventions are about apologizing?
    For all the issues I have with Fi, I don't think not apologizing is a Fi thing. I've had INFPs apologize to me. They just need to see some kind of "behavioral evidence" that helps them see my point of view. Explaining it with words does not seem to be enough, although it could just be because the words are so emotionally charged.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DJ Arendee View Post
    Would you happen to be an E6? I find a lot of E6's feel this way toward me.

    I tend to make ridiculous and brash decisions which let people know I'm insane. It tends to work. I'm actually much more controlled than I appear to be.

    My INTJ 6 brother legitimately thinks I'm the next hitler.
    Yes I am an E6 but I'm also a person and my personal observations have little to do with my type or enneagram in this regard. Im more than the sum of those parts. What is the purpose of the above? To let people know you're insane when in reality you are more controlled? I get that you may be more in control than you let on. I don't understand why you let on otherwise. That's why I mentioned the possibility of defensiveness or overcompensation. Genuinely curious here.

    To get back to the OP I don't find Fi/Fe to apologize less or more but I guess if the Fi user always thinks they are acting with their best intents and something goes wrong they may not feel a need to apologize because their intent was pure to them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MDP2525 View Post
    Yes I am an E6 but I'm also a person and my personal observations have little to do with my type or enneagram in this regard. Im more than the sum of those parts. What is the purpose of the above? To let people know you're insane when in reality you are more controlled? I get that you may be more in control than you let on. I don't understand why you let on otherwise. That's why I mentioned the possibility of defensiveness or overcompensation. Genuinely curious here.

    To get back to the OP I don't find Fi/Fe to apologize less or more but I guess if the Fi user always thinks they are acting with their best intents and something goes wrong they may not feel a need to apologize because their intent was pure to them.
    Anytime someone reacts to who I naturally am, I take whatever trait they're reacting to and I amplify it as a form of vengeance. Usually E6's will overreact to something I say, so I'll just cross the line even further to stirr them up. With jealous E3's, I'll just do whatever it is that's making them jealous even more than I used to. I do this because I get angry when someone thinks I should alter who I am to make them comfortable.

    Its a very abrasive and obnoxious technique. But the end result is that these people end up leaving me alone and no longer bothering me, which is really all that matters.

    It doesn't work against enfp's though. I think they secretly love being mistreated, or they're always out to prove the opposite of whatever you tell them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicodemus View Post
    Can you make a video in which you get angry, and post it here? Thanks.
    I don't really have anything to get angry over anymore except how much the navy sucks. I might make a video about that.

    I don't know if I was responsible, but my room mate's wife had a miscarriage 2 months after I warcried at her, and she told the cops I was going to murder her.

    She deserved it. She treated me like a guest in my own home and would complain if she heard any tinkling of silverware and would tell me to "please quiet down."

    I really don't yell at anyone very often. I think I tried a few times when I was like, 10, and realized that once you shout like that, you tend to not have any cards left over.

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    Apparently you missed the "INFPs What Drives You Nuts About INFJs" thread extravaganza.

    As a Fi-dom, I dislike a lack of humility, which is how I see a failure to apologize or express remorse.

    I find this humorous when many people think F-dom apologize TOO much...for stuff they don't need to apologize for.

    If I DON'T apologize for something, then it's because I may feel someone is trying to shame me into something I don't feel was wrong. That's when I may get stubborn. There are times when I realized my manner was inappropriate, even if my stance was not, and I may not have apologized in the past because I didn't see it. I'm better at seeing it now.

    I don't assume people's internal states either. I think projection occurs with all types. For me, xxFJs project al kinds of crap onto me that has nothing to do with how I actually feel.
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    When I do something that requires apologizing for (and sometimes it does happens), there's a very high chance that I did it out of spite in the first place, trying to passive-aggressively get the other party to think about the situation a bit more and have more consideration. I rarily apologize for these offences unless the other party shows they realize why I did what I did. In which case I'll readily apologize and mend the fences.

    This is a behaviour that is less and less prominent in me however. I can't remember the last instance where this happened. But it was quite prominent in me in my early twenties. Lately I more readily accept that not everyone is able to live up to my fairly high standards and I have little interest in trying to educate them through passive-aggresive behaviour. Which I've long since realized is not particularly helpful at all in most cases.

    It may occasionally happen when I get frustrated while being busy with something. But nowadays I am more open about it afterwards and talk things through out of my own accord when I'm no longer frustrated/busy.

    Basicly though, I don't really ever to something worth apologizing for. At most, I may be apologizing for being misinterpretted in some cases. In which case I'd be very willing to discuss and clear out those misinterpretations at great length.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DJ Arendee View Post
    But I'm an ESTP. I don't bottle anything up. When I get pissed off, it shows.
    Ti -> Fe FAIL.
    Sometimes the worst thing you can do to someone who has angered you is to not let them know they've angered you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DJ Arendee View Post
    People think I'm guilt tripping them simply with my body language. My shoulders sink and I just kinda get lethargic and quiet when my feelings are hurt.
    Interesting.
    There have been times when my feelings have been hurt and I have chosen to remain silent in an effort to not respond in a manner that was disproportionate; discretion is the better part of valor.
    However, that was at a time when I was not very well in tune with my feelings.
    Now, if someone were to say/do something that hurt my feelings I would immediately tell them. Maybe they had no idea of their transgression, and if so, not telling them denies them the opportunity to make amends.
    No one is a mind reader.

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