Hmm. Yes palmer described how E6's view the world as if its very fragile and could shatter at any moment. Her example said, "some people view the glass as half empty, some view it as half full, 6's just realize the glass could shatter at any moment."
Yes, that sounds accurate!
My boss was an E6, and I threatened to hire all his employees away from him. I managed to get all their business cards and tell them I'll pay them more than he does. They were down with the idea. My boss pulled me aside, screamed at me. The whole time he was shaking and pacing back and forth. lol.
Ha, cruel, but evidently it worked.
I think my intellectual speed and bouncing energy can make some people think I'm just a walking tornado or something, like at any moment I could break something for no fuckin reason at all.
One INTJ 5 I met described an ESTP as, "he sprinted out of a party, turned on the motorcycle and immediately slammed headfirst into a tree." lol. Part of me thinks that story was made up, but it paints a good image of ESTP's as loose cannons in general.
I actually think this is a sensor trait. I find ESFJ's to be even worse than I am at this, haha.
Lol, I haven't seen that out of the ESFJs I know! ESFPs, maybe. You do seem very active/reactive. And fast-paced, certainly. So you can see why an e6 in their china shop would be terrified by your proverbial bull. You do come across as almost cp 6, interestingly enough.
Originally Posted by DJ Arendee
I think with me, once I open up, that's it. There's really nothing more past that other than knowledge and what I'm thinking. My surface behavior is completely completely different from my underlying behavior. For example, my ENFJ 3 best friend over here is awesome, and sometimes I catch myself following him around like a puppy every so often. I actually have to remind myself not to do that. Around him I'm really quiet and calm. When I'm away from him or a girlfriend, I often change back to... how I sorta feel right now. Neurotic and all over the place.
Aw, Sx merging! I see. Maybe some degree of pain derived from having felt merged and then suddenly being ripped from that?
E8 power dynamics aren't a self referencing phenomenon. Part of the reason E8's worry about power dynamics is to avoid being hurt. To protect themselves and from all the BS most people put them through. As I've spend 23 years of my life being "open minded" to most people, I've learned that this is a road to hurt, and I've thus started door slamming anyone on the first sign that they're not someone I want to deal with. I think she's an E6. In my experience those have almost always been very push pull and hurtful people to open up to. So to be tested like this only tells me that this is just the beginning.
Its incredibly judgemental, but this is a learned tactic I've developed over the years and for good reason. And my life is becoming much better because of it.
Hmm. I know this feeling all too well. I actually have made it my #2 priority in regards to self preservation to cut people that I am continually hurt by out of my life. And now I'm so worn to the point that if someone does one thing wrong...and don't appologize or don't try to make amends with me( AFTER ALL THE GD YEARS I HAVE) I say goodbye abruptly. Done. Don't care. Don't need that shit. I have a very LOW tolerance for Fi now lol...Cause they SUCK at making amends. I am a 6. If i like someone, freind, relationship, coworker, etc, and I think I might have even slightly hurt their feelings by looking at their facial expressions or behavior...I immediately appologize, and correct whatever the problem is.
Other people don't seem to freggin do this...WTF? Well I realized what the f it is...I am SURROUNDED by Fi-doms.
An ISFP literally said to me " I don't like to give or recieve appologies, because if you were really sorry, you wouldn't have done it in the first place." <----that shit is dumb. So no one is allowed to make mistakes?
So I have met 1 ISFP that's kool. Out of 9 that I can think of off the top of my head.
INFP's are a mixed bag. But most of the time they seem to be worth it to say sorry to first.
ESFP's I can forgive easily...cause they can show they're sorry to me in other ways more action oriented than other Fi-doms
ENFP's don't know enough
I'm that person that embodies pretty much everything that you hate.
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some people would build a rocket ship over apologize though
Originally Posted by Lexicon
Well building a rocketship for someone would definitely be pretty sweet, I think we can all agree on that. . .
I want to meet these people, so I can act really offended around them 'cause I'd really dig a rocket ship.
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I should probably be happy it isn't INFJs being the whipping boys/girls this time, but the whole situation sounds crazy to me. Although, like others have said, I can see it being worth dealing with crazy people briefly if there was going to be a rocket ship in it for me.
Otherwise, if someone is not at least as much fun as eating saltines and reading about rocket ships (the sci-fi version) then why would I not just hang out by myself and have fun with Siranth Jax or John Perry or Andrew Wiggins? I know they aren't going to suddenly hit on me or make me throw away their salad bowl. Hell, they won't even hog the saltines.
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I'm not so convinced this is an Fi/Fe thing. Sounds like poor use of F in general.
Originally Posted by DJ Arendee
So, after learning some socionics, I've learned that Fi often ASSUMES the internal state of other people, while Fe needs to hear it in an objective fashion.
Simultaneously, I notice that Fe users tend to appologize much more readily than Fi users.
I recently was hitting on an ESFP. I told her she was attractive at one point. She then flipped and went princess on me. She was eating a salad out of a styrofoam bowl, and when she was done, held the bowl up to my face and said, "can you throw this away for me?"
I looked at her feeling pain from what she said, and responded, "because I'm such a nice fucking guy." I took her tray and threw it out for her and didn't speak to her for a month.
She started to realize that I had no intention of speaking to her ever again. I door slammed her. She started getting upset and anytime I was near she'd look at me a lot and make faces of concern. I don't know what emotion it was specifically. Some sort of remorse, guilt, something.
She's never appologized. I haven't bothered asking her to either. Last time I asked an esfp to appologize to me was a disaster.
So now she's super nice to me. So, in general Fi user fashion, I'm assuming this is her way of apologizing. I've had an INTJ appologize to me once when he started cleaning my room and asking me how my day was etc. I had an ENTJ appologize to me by looking at the floor and stating things awkwardly. So I assume its something similar with ESFP.
So now I'm wondering, is she actually sorry? Do Fi users need to appologize? Or should I just assume it?
From my perspective, the lack of an apology seems like a blatant form of selfishness, as if being right is more important than whatever else is on her mind. What do you think? What is going on in her mind? Why do Fi users do this? Is there something about their ego that prevents them from apologizing?
5w6 or 9w1 sp/so/sx, I think