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    Quote Originally Posted by INTP View Post
    do you often feel intimidated when people try to educate you?
    "but also something i could expect from you after all the shit you have been talking"

    do your high school teachers talk to you like that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mal+ View Post
    "but also something i could expect from you after all the shit you have been talking"

    do your high school teachers talk to you like that?
    i never went to high school(or that thing thats closest to it in my country)
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    Quote Originally Posted by INTP View Post
    i never went to high school(or that thing thats closest to it in my country)
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    So you think that the extroverted and introverted functions have a push-pull effect, like the persona and the anima/animus? I don't think that is necessarily true because they are supposed to work together, and the things you are suggesting in the OP seem to imply that they undermine each other. If they have opposite attitudes and inclinations they should be in conflict. In an ENFP for example, it's not the Fi which causes them to appear like a J, it's the Te. Fi is a judging function, and so reigns in Ne, but their goals are complimentary and not in conflict. Sometimes the introverted function which works with the extroverted function as primary or auxiliary rationalizes and justifies excess.

    I don't know, you may be on to something- I'll think about it. But these are my thoughts right now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by greenfairy View Post
    So you think that the extroverted and introverted functions have a push-pull effect, like the persona and the anima/animus? I don't think that is necessarily true because they are supposed to work together, and the things you are suggesting in the OP seem to imply that they undermine each other. If they have opposite attitudes and inclinations they should be in conflict. In an ENFP for example, it's not the Fi which causes them to appear like a J, it's the Te. Fi is a judging function, and so reigns in Ne, but their goals are complimentary and not in conflict. Sometimes the introverted function which works with the extroverted function as primary or auxiliary rationalizes and justifies excess.

    I don't know, you may be on to something- I'll think about it. But these are my thoughts right now.
    If a FiTe user goes J you hardly see any Te at all
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    Quote Originally Posted by entropie View Post
    If a FiTe user goes J you hardly see any Te at all
    Why is that? I mean in the MBTI sense, like structure and organization, which is more Te than Fi.

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    I wonder, are Ji types inherently on the other side of the coin?

    This all seems Jung 101 - not to undermine your efforts, I am reinforcing how core most of the concepts are. Towards the end, perhaps, I'd have to do a little more thinking, regarding the self-beration. I relate strongly, just don't know if it's universal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mal+ View Post
    Sorry, I'm not going to be jotting down a list of hilarious traits or stereotypes shared by Perceivers.

    I'm feeling rather sick and weak at the moment, so I'll do my best not to offend anybody's intellectual sensibilities.
    ...............
    I've just come back to this after a half-hour, and my physical condition continues to decline rapidly. My wife is refusing to take me to the ER, so I made a deal with her: when I start wheezing, and if the inhaler doesn't help, then she will take me to the ER.

    It's not that I can't drive, but it's just safer if she does the driving. You never know how medicated I will end up being and how this will affect my judgment.

    Let's see what I can write anyway.

    Perceivers (Pe) are defined as those personalities oriented on the external world, while the opposite mode, judgment (Ji), is oriented inward. This produces a character that is lacking in external judgment and so it tends to go to extremes. Internally, where judgment has been refined, moderation in thought and feeling is the key to understanding this mindset.

    so Pe is characterized externally by extremes of behavior and lack of judgment. and Ji is characterized by moderation of internal judgment.
    In this, note that I am talking about the same personality, not two different personalities.

    The extremes of external behavior could be anything from too much working out to overeating. This type is more prone to addiction problems, not that a (different) Ji personality doesn't have addictions, but Pe has the greatest difficulty stopping because of poor external judgment (eg. regarding things like the body and maintaining physical fitness), and a general lack of self-control.

    The Ji side of the same personality, on the other hand, punishes the ego relentlessly for not bringing the other side under control, i.e, into union with the Ji side. But that's all it can seem to do is self-punish, make rational plans that never come to fruition, and self-berate endlessly.

    I'm tired, I'll continue this later. Probably.

    I'm sad to hear ur sick. Be careful, if u think u need to go to the ER that sounds serious! O_O

    I think you should continue on this though!(when ur well) Now, my opinion is that the Pe/Ji people don't have as much of a problem, ESPECIALLY the Ji doms(like an INTP), because their functions don't clash as much for some reason. Or they don't delve into thier own shadows enough, or they are lying to themselves, or they are lying to us.

    So my theory on something similar to this that I think relates is...well....as plain as I can put it (may not be the absolute correct language to use):

    introverts = softies on the outside, hard on the inside
    extraverts = hard on the outside, softy on the inside

    You can take it a little further and say the same thing about each individual function. Like Ne is more hard/objective/extreme/far reaching on the outside...but it's really quite goofy on the inside...I am not thinking of the perfect word yet...but the closest I can get is objective right now.
    And then Ti would be more reserved/refrained/refined on the outside...but is sharp like glass/cold on the inside

    And so far no one has really proven that wrong yet to me through any of my experiences.

    I believe that for Je/Pi types, you can see the friction between one's own type a lot more. At least I can with myself. My Ni wants nothing to do with Te and my Te wants nothing to do with my Ni but they still need each other. I could go down the whole list of the rest of my functions how they don't get along. They all have different goals and objectives to obtain.

    My ISFJ friend says he does not feel as much conflict between his Si and Fe as I do with my functions. Maybe because he's an introvert and has reflected and gotten rid of shadows, maybe not.


    Also another theory is that N works better with F (goal wise) and S works better with T (goal wise)...but I'm not sure about that...there's not much backing that up. Just a thought. Maybe it has to do with right brain left brain stuff??



    Quote Originally Posted by Mal+ View Post
    Me? No, I made my mind up about my type 20 years ago.

    But if, according to @pinkgraffiti, I was "halucinating," then why did Jung write the following? -

    "Where the persona is intellectual, the soul is quite certainly sentimental. That the complementary character of the soul is also concerned with the sex-character is a fact which can no longer seriously be doubted. A very feminine woman has a masculine soul, and a very manly man a feminine soul. This opposition is based upon the fact that a man, for instance, is not in all things wholly masculine, but has also certain feminine traits. he, more manly his outer attitude, the more will his womanly traits be effaced; these then appear in the soul. This circumstance explains why it is that the very manly men are most subject to characteristic weaknesses; their attitude to the unconscious has a womanly weakness and impressionability."

    I am making a similar distinction between inner and external attitudes. Was Jung "halucinating" too?
    That quote is awesome. He was not halucinating lmao!

    Quote Originally Posted by entropie View Post
    If a FiTe user goes J you hardly see any Te at all

    Can u elaborate some more?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Urarienev View Post
    Can u elaborate some more?
    Not to speak on his behalf - but you don't get reason, you don't get a rhyme. You just get a song.

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    Quote Originally Posted by greenfairy View Post
    Why is that? I mean in the MBTI sense, like structure and organization, which is more Te than Fi.
    Quote Originally Posted by Urarienev View Post
    Can u elaborate some more?
    A TeFi user is very reasonable in all situations. If he or she has a bad day and goes vertigo, becomes subjective and unreasonably, he or she will most prolly excuse him- or herself the moment the waves have calmed down, which will be pretty soon. Besides that you can always reason with the most assertive Te types, if the arguement you hold is valid.

    A FiTe type tho, is super subjective. It is very unlike that he or she has the possibility to accept any different views of the world than their own. If he or she goes vertigo on you, all reason, that would appeal to the Te side, would be lost. Its only the Fi reigning upon you and telling you to do the things exactly her or his way or the highway.

    Depends all on the person and their cognitive development, I just wanted to point out that Te or Fe are not the only two functions that participate in the outer world communication; Many people speak out of pure Ti or Fi as well.
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